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Lejitt 
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Hi every1
I'm confused..... Ive been using kicks in the 120hz type range in order to make room for the sub bass. It sounds all good and well, but Ive recently been listening to pendulem, and it seems to me that most of their kicks thump in at around the 60hz range. (I may be wrong, but thats how it sounds to me.) ...anyway their kicks and sub seem almost married..punchy and crisp.
Pendulem arent the only example of this.
Basically I have tried using kicks in this freq range but they allways conflict with the sub.
....Am I wrong?....are their kicks not hitting at this freq?...is it just a trick of sound created by the technique they used? or am I simple?
.......does every1 here use higher frequency kicks?
Has any1 here used lower freq kicks with pleasing results?
and 1 more thing......does every1 normalize their drums.
ok... thats it...cheerz 
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15-06-2008 21:55 |
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PLaGuE CeLL
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Originally posted by Lejitt
Hi every1
I'm confused..... Ive been using kicks in the 120hz type range in order to make room for the sub bass. It sounds all good and well, but Ive recently been listening to pendulem, and it seems to me that most of their kicks thump in at around the 60hz range. (I may be wrong, but thats how it sounds to me.) ...anyway their kicks and sub seem almost married..punchy and crisp.
Pendulem arent the only example of this.
Basically I have tried using kicks in this freq range but they allways conflict with the sub.
....Am I wrong?....are their kicks not hitting at this freq?...is it just a trick of sound created by the technique they used? or am I simple?
.......does every1 here use higher frequency kicks?
Has any1 here used lower freq kicks with pleasing results?
and 1 more thing......does every1 normalize their drums.
ok... thats it...cheerz
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16-06-2008 17:58 |
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PLaGuE CeLL
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I think it's just very clever compression and sidechaining...
Actually I wonder if they use comb fliters at the low frequencies so the kick and the bass can be present in interlocking but not overlapping comb 'teeth'
hmm...
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16-06-2008 18:00 |
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Tomos
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Originally posted by PLaGuE CeLL
Actually I wonder if they use comb fliters at the low frequencies so the kick and the bass can be present in interlocking but not overlapping comb 'teeth'
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Originally posted by PLaGuE CeLL
I think it's just very clever compression and sidechaining...
Actually I wonder if they use comb fliters at the low frequencies so the kick and the bass can be present in interlocking but not overlapping comb 'teeth'
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My money is on sidechaining or active EQing though 
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16-06-2008 19:49 |
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Lejitt
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Good idea Ghost
I never thought of that one, nice.
Im interested in the whole comb filter thing aswell, Ill have to check that little puppy out 
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29-06-2008 19:03 |
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Sephiroth
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With pendulum its gotta be side-chaining i think, although that comb filter point plague cell said makes sense too....hard to pull i reckon tho, lots of fiddling. if you get voxengo span u can isolate certain frequency areas by holding CTRL and draggin over the desired area, you can hear the effect then of the kick/ bass hitting at the same time. but its probably not jus side-chaining, im sure professional mastering makes a big difference to it too, with equipment worth thousands (or more) working perfectly....either that or witchcraft 
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29-06-2008 19:50 |
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Lejitt
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Nice.....
by the sound of it I might need to polish up on my witchcraft 2.
haha
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29-06-2008 20:33 |
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hmmm, i have never heard of this comb filtering before, is it slightly boosting or lowering alternate frequencies in lower end of the kick and bass, e.g. so say for a simple example the kick may be as follows 60hz +1db 80hz -1db, 100hz +1db and the bass may be 60hz -1db, 80hz - +1db, 100hz -1db. i know that it would depend on the samples exactly how much you would cut/boost it by, but i hope you get the general idea with what i am asking
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29-06-2008 20:39 |
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junglist06
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Originally posted by PLaGuE CeLL
It's Witchcraft. |
hmmm not so good on my witchcraft 
how about wizardry?
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29-06-2008 20:43 |
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Sephiroth
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Originally posted by junglist06
hmmm, i have never heard of this comb filtering before, is it slightly boosting or lowering alternate frequencies in lower end of the kick and bass, e.g. so say for a simple example the kick may be as follows 60hz +1db 80hz -1db, 100hz +1db and the bass may be 60hz -1db, 80hz - +1db, 100hz -1db. i know that it would depend on the samples exactly how much you would cut/boost it by, but i hope you get the general idea with what i am asking |
yeh i think thats the general idea, its just peaks and dips in the frequency responses on a kick drum and a sub sound for example with regular spacing i suppose. im not too sure too be honest, never really looked into it, pretty advanced stuff me thinks...... 
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29-06-2008 21:27 |
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its all in the mastering , you punch it all to the 0dB line
mastering is incredible
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29-06-2008 22:45 |
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Sephiroth
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Originally posted by Greyone
mastering is incredible |
cant argue with that, incredible is a slight under statement tho, and all you need to do it to the standard of professionals is thousands and thousands of pounds worth of equipment, an acoustically (near) perfect room, a few different immense monitoring set-ups, a thorough understanding of compression, limiting, eq, creating stereo width etc and years of mastering experience.....not forgetting a very polished mixdown too........not so hard to do.... 
ah well....back to fingers crossed for hitting the jackpot on the lottery then
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29-06-2008 23:27 |
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PLaGuE CeLL
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I wasn't particularly serious about the comb filter thing :p Sure you can give it a go, but i think it'd only be useful for being able to brag about such a strange production technique afterwards and sound clever :p
Besides, if you use it you would need to actively change the filter frequency so the changing bass notes dont ever sit on top of the kick drum's comb teeth, and in doing that you may end up filtering out the kicks fundamental frequency 
Although, a clever plugin might be a good idea for anyone who did wanna try it, with something like prioritising correct portrayal of one signal over another (like the kick, so the thump doesnt get filtered out, and the capability to have a brick wall filter if one should choose... might make for some interesting sounds :p
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Originally posted by junglist06
hmmm, i have never heard of this comb filtering before, is it slightly boosting or lowering alternate frequencies in lower end of the kick and bass, e.g. so say for a simple example the kick may be as follows 60hz +1db 80hz -1db, 100hz +1db and the bass may be 60hz -1db, 80hz - +1db, 100hz -1db. i know that it would depend on the samples exactly how much you would cut/boost it by, but i hope you get the general idea with what i am asking |
I'm sure you're familiar with the shapes of low pass, high pass and band pass filters?
the lines that roll off depending on the type of filter to represent how it uses the sounds it works with?
a comb filter is like lots of narrow band pass filters side by side, so they look like the teeth of a hair comb. I guess band reject would work too
They're pretty strange sounding if you've never heard one before, they can effectively be used to display frequencies in a harmonic series, and filter the rest out, so they can be good for cleaning up dodgy samples, or even creating something musical from a sample with internal dissonance (white noise can be filtered this way and the result is a ghostly whine, really cool sounding)
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