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Author Post cynik Cp6uja Registration Date: 15-03-2005 Posts: 5,646 Helpfulness rating:  lol seriously, here is why its disgusting. because its extremely down the opposite ways of instincts, the true nature's unquestionable urges every healthy person has. there is homosexuality among animals but only humans are sick enough to invent these modern "classes" because, much like the womens rights revolution and the sexual revolution happened, the gay population is enojoying it's renneisance with the gay parades and shit in the 90s, continued and only getting stronger in this millenium. they are coming out of the caves with so much complexes built in that it bursts out in forms of mentioned horrible abnormalities I once thought lesbians are hot, until at a party I actually witnessed two of them making out, talked to them later. seems theres always the "male" lady and the "female". the female lesbians are generally bisexuals or curious heterosexual girls while the male counterparts are just horrid, boring idiots who only like to be among women and find men disgusting. imagine that!!! there are people out there, taking for granted that I am uninteresting to them for the sole fact that I am a heteroesexual man. sickening enough they would rather talk to male gays than heterosexuals. its growing into a clan with one thing in common - hating the heterosexual man. that is where, in turn, all the disgust and hate by the heteros must come from __ https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves 17-06-2008 23:56 Phalanx Chronologic Registration Date: 13-09-2007 Posts: 333 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Tomos quote: Originally posted by Greyone good to have u around here cynik Just a joke fellas, chill out. quote: Originally posted by CULTURE BOY CYNIC YOU ARE PORN!!! Dare I say a trend is starting? __ http://soundcloud.com/chronologic 18-06-2008 12:00 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  Steady on there Cynik, you're making it sound like lesbians and pregnant fellas are about to take over planet earth! I'm as hetrosexual as you mate but it doesn't bother me whether the next guy is or not. Unless it effects you personally in some way, it really doesn't matter. OK, so there are some homosexuals, etc, with attitude problems. I totally accept that, but let's get some perspective, just look at what a lot of gays have to go through, with their family and society in general. It's much worst. Everyone just needs to chill out on these issues. Same goes for the issue of race as well. At the end of the day, we don't actively choose our sexuality anyway. I certainly don't remember ever choosing to be a hetrosexual. Or maybe I missed that meeting. And all this talk about 'nature's way' just doesn't have scientific basis. It sounds to me like a way to justify certain attitudes by saying, 'hey, nature made us this way, therefore my attitude towards these "unnatural" people is justified' - it's a way to put the blame elsewhere, as opposed to taking responsibility for your own judgements and opinions. To me, it seems pretty obvious that diversity in humans is to be entirely expected. We're so diverse, you're naturally gonna get all sorts of different types of people. The problem isn't the existence of human diversity, it's how we all cope together with our differences. The mere existence of gays, blacks, women, pregnant men or whatever - isn't the real problem, it's people's attitudes. That's what causes problems. We all need to show some fucking compassion and tolerance for one another. It takes real bollocks to do that. __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 18-06-2008 19:53 Muad'Dib Andrejnalin Registration Date: 02-12-2003 Posts: 4,197 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Tomos Steady on there Cynik, you're making it sound like lesbians and pregnant fellas are about to take over planet earth! I'm as hetrosexual as you mate but it doesn't bother me whether the next guy is or not. Unless it effects you personally in some way, it really doesn't matter. OK, so there are some homosexuals, etc, with attitude problems. I totally accept that, but let's get some perspective, just look at what a lot of gays have to go through, with their family and society in general. It's much worst. Everyone just needs to chill out on these issues. Same goes for the issue of race as well. At the end of the day, we don't actively choose our sexuality anyway. I certainly don't remember ever choosing to be a hetrosexual. Or maybe I missed that meeting. And all this talk about 'nature's way' just doesn't have scientific basis. It sounds to me like a way to justify certain attitudes by saying, 'hey, nature made us this way, therefore my attitude towards these "unnatural" people is justified' - it's a way to put the blame elsewhere, as opposed to taking responsibility for your own judgements and opinions. To me, it seems pretty obvious that diversity in humans is to be entirely expected. We're so diverse, you're naturally gonna get all sorts of different types of people. The problem isn't the existence of human diversity, it's how we all cope together with our differences. The mere existence of gays, blacks, women, pregnant men or whatever - isn't the real problem, it's people's attitudes. That's what causes problems. We all need to show some fucking compassion and tolerance for one another. It takes real bollocks to do that. Gay people cannot impregnate themselves so, genetically and biologically (and naturally as off these), they are doomed to loose their gene in the gene pool. The animal belonging to a certain species which cannot produce offspring genetically, because of strange sexual orientation, is strained. Parents of such animals often kill the strained offspring so that it just doesn't have any chance of spreading that gay gene with all the other normal genes (like the body form, certain behaviors etc.) from his parents. If parents don't kill it, then other subjects from their community do. It is natural to get a genetic mutation and have changed sexual tendencies, so gay people/animals are natural. But are not productive and cannot produce offspring. I am inclined to think that being gay today is just a big show for attention and the overemphasized desire for extreme individuality (attention whores), which totally complies with their behavior (gay festivals, gay parades and whatnot) than with real sexual tendencies. I mean, I don't see people with straight sexual orientation so aggressively celebrating their sexual tendencies...! (What's the point, anyway?! ) __ Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link: http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473 There is no such thing without its opposite -Bene Gesserit 18-06-2008 20:40 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib I am inclined to think that being gay today is just a big show for attention and the overemphasized desire for extreme individuality (attention whores), which totally complies with their behavior (gay festivals, gay parades and whatnot) than with real sexual tendencies. Are you serious mate? For that to be true, it would have to be the case that we can actually choose our sexuality and change it at will. So a straight guy who wants some attention can decide to be gay? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And how do you express 'extreme individuality' by being gay? It's not even a big deal for most people. It's hardly the most shocking thing in the world. Extreme individuality is where you have people who do extreme things to themselves, such as masses of tattoos, weird piecings, etc. I know a couple of gays and none of them are attention whores, no one even asks them about it or even comments on it. No, there are genuine gays about and some of them enjoy attention. It's not the other way around where straight attention-seekers can decide to be gay. And what does it matter if there are gay parades and that? If you're interested, switch the bloody telly off! (I'm assuming you don't turn up in person at these places. ) __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 18-06-2008 21:54 Phalanx Chronologic Registration Date: 13-09-2007 Posts: 333 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib Gay people cannot impregnate themselves so, genetically and biologically (and naturally as off these), they are doomed to loose their gene in the gene pool. The animal belonging to a certain species which cannot produce offspring genetically, because of strange sexual orientation, is strained. Parents of such animals often kill the strained offspring so that it just doesn't have any chance of spreading that gay gene with all the other normal genes (like the body form, certain behaviors etc.) from his parents. If parents don't kill it, then other subjects from their community do. It is natural to get a genetic mutation and have changed sexual tendencies, so gay people/animals are natural. But are not productive and cannot produce offspring. I am inclined to think that being gay today is just a big show for attention and the overemphasized desire for extreme individuality (attention whores), which totally complies with their behavior (gay festivals, gay parades and whatnot) than with real sexual tendencies. I mean, I don't see people with straight sexual orientation so aggressively celebrating their sexual tendencies...! (What's the point, anyway?! ) I see shitloads of heterosexual guys celebrating their sexual tendencies in obnoxious manners... I go to the University of Southern California (The douchiest college in the States, we're even called the Trojans ) These guys are all in frats and in general are fucking shitty people to be around. That whole thing about parents trying to "kill the gay gene" in nature seems pretty ignorant, do you think you can just go and spot one out? I'm as heterosexual as the rest of you guys but at least I've got better things to do then worry about a small attention getting minority that I will likely never interact with. __ http://soundcloud.com/chronologic 18-06-2008 23:23 cynik Cp6uja Registration Date: 15-03-2005 Posts: 5,646 Helpfulness rating:  hmmmm frats??? thats highschool right? please refrain from commenting on people that are still in their puberty as they hardly qualify for the discussion over sexuallity. many of them havent even discovered it yet and therefore can not have an opinnion at all but instead a lot of questions theyre afraid to ask - hence the sexual insanity. lol, you think you will never have any interaction with the gay population? you already are, every day but you do not know. @Tomos > you missed my point man, I said that I do not hate, but feel disgust. please do not attack other people out of your own conclusions but instead try and realise. I actually know a few gays, its nothing special. I cannot feel disgust? to feel - is that now not correct? who the fuck ever qualifies to tell me what I feel is not correct? that is opposite of democracy, instead its a feature of faschist and quasi-communist societies, to sum it, its what happens to anything when there is force and that anything is being forced onto the community. right now, at this day and age, homosexuality is being FORCED onto humanity, for reasons unknown to me. could be the world leaders are gays? who knows you touch a lot of issues but fail to justify the words spoken. you never did choose heterosexuality, and you ask yourself why? I don't believe that is something anyone should ever ask themselves because it is not something that should ever be chosen. that is why you "missed the meeting". but I fear that is our future, with gay marriages and shit. I can imagine a gay parrent asking their "son": "do you think John looks cool? do you feel you like him?" ugh. then you suggest turning the tv off (not that I ever turn it on - I dont watch it) when gay parades are on. wtf. why is it I have to turn the other way when an attrocity is approaching, when it is an absolute minority everywhere and it is them who should turn the other way around. lesbians hate heterosexual men. anyone who claims otherwise obviously never had any conversation with the kind. __ https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves 19-06-2008 19:40 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  OK, needless to say, I hold entirely different opinions to you on this issue Cynik, so I'm only gonna respond to a few of your comments... quote: Originally posted by cynik I cannot feel disgust? to feel - is that now not correct? who the fuck ever qualifies to tell me what I feel is not correct? Firstly, I never told you how you should feel. Secondly, that's a hugely arrogant attitude you've got there mate. I'm trying to have an intelligent debate, not tell you what to think. Don't forget, everyone - including myself - can be wrong sometimes and sometimes we develop bad attitudes. I know I have and I probably still do on some issues. But that's why it's important to listen to the other side and respond in a calm manner. It helps you to see the issues more clearly and come to a rational - and hopefully evidence-based - opinion. quote: Originally posted by cynik that is opposite of democracy, instead its a feature of faschist and quasi-communist societies, to sum it, its what happens to anything when there is force and that anything is being forced onto the community. That's the essential point I've been trying to get across. It's all about respecting each others differences and allowing people to make their own decisions about their own personal issues without retribution, hate, insults or discrimination. I'm not saying you do this by the way. quote: Originally posted by cynik right now, at this day and age, homosexuality is being FORCED onto humanity, for reasons unknown to me. If there was any truth in that, I'd totally agree. But that sounds like a big exaggeration to me. We do hear more about it these days, but it doesn't mean it's being "forced" on people. Perhaps you're confusing the concept of something being more apparent and visible, as opposed to it being forced onto people. quote: Originally posted by cynik you never did choose heterosexuality, and you ask yourself why? I don't believe that is something anyone should ever ask themselves because it is not something that should ever be chosen. That was my point, that sexuality isn't really a choice. It was in response to Mu's idea that homosexuality is 'just a big show' to gain attention and extreme individuality, whatever that is. quote: Originally posted by cynik but I fear that is our future, with gay marriages and shit. The future is already here bud, it's already happening. Unless it affects you personally, it shouldn't matter. Although, clearly it does. quote: Originally posted by cynik then you suggest turning the tv off (not that I ever turn it on - I dont watch it) when gay parades are on. wtf. why is it I have to turn the other way when an attrocity is approaching. So a gay parade is an "attrocity"? Genocide, yes, famine, yes, but a gay parade? That's ridiculous. quote: Originally posted by cynik when it is an absolute minority everywhere and it is them who should turn the other way around. lesbians hate heterosexual men. anyone who claims otherwise obviously never had any conversation with the kind. It sounds to me like you have made a sweeping judgement on a whole section of people based upon a conversation with a couple of lesbians at a club? And now you think all lesbians hate hetrosexual men? C'mon. Perhaps you need to meet more lesbians because I've had a few conversations with lesbians too and - up to this point at least - they were all quite pleasant and I detected no hatred at all. No doubt, some lesbians hate man, not certainly not all. Give these people a chance man. OK, so I responded to most comments. __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 19-06-2008 21:44 Greyone Master Producer Registration Date: 01-04-2005 Posts: 6,285 Helpfulness rating:  tsss , the never ending converstation ok lets stop , we'll have different opinons 19-06-2008 22:10 cynik Cp6uja Registration Date: 15-03-2005 Posts: 5,646 Helpfulness rating:  noooo I didnt want this to start into something between me and you Tomos. sorry if it looked offensive - it was entirely not the idea. I feel it is being forced. In Croatia, in 2006 a daily paper on th emain page depicted two lesbians kissing. I can't approve of that. In the same year, in the summer Croatian seaside was voted the best gay vacation place in europe quote: If there was any truth in that, I'd totally agree. But that sounds like a big exaggeration to me. We do hear more about it these days, but it doesn't mean it's being "forced" on people. Perhaps you're confusing the concept of something being more apparent and visible, as opposed to it being forced onto people. that IS forcing it, someone who studied least bit on propaganda knows that city lights, billboards and huge posters on walls of buildings are most powerful means of marketing/propaganda as you dont have to have a tv, but when you step outside, you can't but not notice them. if the picure was in the paper whos to tell another time someone decides to step up a notch and put gays on a billboard? I wouldn't be surprised it did happen already quote: Originally posted by Tomos quote: Originally posted by cynik but I fear that is our future, with gay marriages and shit. The future is already here bud, it's already happening. Unless it affects you personally, it shouldn't matter. Although, clearly it does. that is not really fair innit? quoting only part of the point I was trying to make. which was that gay "parents" would most surely affect the children theyre raising in defining their own sexualities. they do it not knowingly, as it's a known fact that children follow the behavior patterns of their parents. I used the word attrocity not to define all gay population, I used it to name the extremes being mentioned earlier, shemales (and pregnant men - that sounds awfully wrong everyone must admit). I have no problems conversing with homosexuals as long as theyre not reaching for my wanker, that is the line which makes my foot-to-head reaction a reflex one __ https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves 20-06-2008 00:29 Shinyuri myspace.com/shinyuribeats Registration Date: 05-01-2007 Posts: 422 Helpfulness rating:  i must say there has been an excessive use of the quote funtion! i need to read some tips on how to do that... __ www.myspace.com/shinyuribeats revel in the crapness of the website and then hit the add button... go on, do it, u know u wanna 20-06-2008 05:41 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  I think I'm gonna call it a day on our debate cynik. It's starting to go round in circles mate, so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I just don't think homosexuality, etc, is such a big deal as you're trying to make out. Thankfully, I think most other people would agree with that. __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 20-06-2008 19:01 cynik Cp6uja Registration Date: 15-03-2005 Posts: 5,646 Helpfulness rating:  nah, as I said mate, it's really not a big deal. after all it's what the forums are for. __ https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves 21-06-2008 00:45 Muad'Dib Andrejnalin Registration Date: 02-12-2003 Posts: 4,197 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Tomos quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib I am inclined to think that being gay today is just a big show for attention and the overemphasized desire for extreme individuality (attention whores), which totally complies with their behavior (gay festivals, gay parades and whatnot) than with real sexual tendencies. Are you serious mate? For that to be true, it would have to be the case that we can actually choose our sexuality and change it at will. So a straight guy who wants some attention can decide to be gay? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And how do you express 'extreme individuality' by being gay? It's not even a big deal for most people. It's hardly the most shocking thing in the world. Extreme individuality is where you have people who do extreme things to themselves, such as masses of tattoos, weird piecings, etc. I know a couple of gays and none of them are attention whores, no one even asks them about it or even comments on it. No, there are genuine gays about and some of them enjoy attention. It's not the other way around where straight attention-seekers can decide to be gay. And what does it matter if there are gay parades and that? If you're interested, switch the bloody telly off! (I'm assuming you don't turn up in person at these places. ) We don't choose our sexuality, yes. But, evolution has given us a brain to understand concepts from the world, and we have also a hard-wired drive for our survival (as an individual and, more important, survival of our genes). We have a hard-wired sexual drive (accompanied with some actions that exist to make it happen and ease the whole process of the actual copulation). But our ability to separate objects from their surroundings is a skill that is partially hard-wired, and partially learned. The skill to mentally tell the difference of shadows, contours, shapes and lines on the picture we see with our eyes is hard-wired, but the skill to recognize the object that those shadows/contours/shapes/lines represent is a learned skill. The same is with the sexual objects. Our hard-wired sexual drive tells us that we should copulate with a desirable sexual object. But what is a desirable sexual object, is left to our brain to understand and seek. And these sexual objects sometimes get mistaken - like in gay sexual orientation. It is a result of the whole upbringing of a man/woman, of course. For example, if they constantly see gay people, that will be normal for them, and their sexual objects will be persons from the same sex. It doesn't have to be this way. I mean, it only takes to see gay sex or whatever for a few times while very young, and to get those things mixed up. The sexual drive is, to a certain extent, separated from the mental sexual imagering, and it will work (the drive) when it has a valid sexual object brought by the mental imagering. About the extreme individuality thing - most of the times, individuality is our desire, a mental trend that intents to achieve (mental, at first) separation from our surroundings, and from other people. It is an egoistic drive to announce to everything around us (especially to entities that are same/similar to us, like other people) that we exist and that we are separate, with separate wishes, thoughts, desires and whatnot. And, what's the easiest way to announce to other people that we are special? Of course, by getting their attention. Some people make great deeds. Some people shoot with rifles. Some fight with others, and show off. Some are gay (not pointing out that all gay are like this, but I could bet most of them are). And that's not because they choose to be gay! It's because they have had this desire to be special in others' eyes, and, somehow by the twist of natural randomization, they 'chose' that way. Actually, they didn't choose anything as random influences made that choice for them, of course. But the main thing that we argue here is the momentum. If increasing number of the gay part of these random influences start to come, the chances that an extreme individuality-seeking person (these are usually unstable personas such as little kids, teenagers and generally unstable persons) turns to gay are increasing. And that's the real problem, and the forcing that Cynik was arguing about (I believe). __ Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link: http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473 There is no such thing without its opposite -Bene Gesserit 21-06-2008 03:33 Muad'Dib Andrejnalin Registration Date: 02-12-2003 Posts: 4,197 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard I see shitloads of heterosexual guys celebrating their sexual tendencies in obnoxious manners... I go to the University of Southern California (The douchiest college in the States, we're even called the Trojans ) These guys are all in frats and in general are fucking shitty people to be around. I hate those too, actually. I hate all that aggressively propagate their sexual tendencies, whether straight or gay. quote: Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard That whole thing about parents trying to "kill the gay gene" in nature seems pretty ignorant, do you think you can just go and spot one out? I'm as heterosexual as the rest of you guys but at least I've got better things to do then worry about a small attention getting minority that I will likely never interact with. Well, it's not that ignorant. Example as you in the parent's perspective of such an animal: you see that the sexual behavior of your offspring is strained. You value your genes the most of all genes around, so you'd like your genes to survive the most they can. Gay genes cannot reproduce, therefore are doomed to die. But the other genes that your offspring carries are good, and they are too doomed to die because of that gay gene that dictates the behavior of your offspring, which is, of course, unacceptable for you. And caring for that child is costly (you must manage to give resources that you would normally spend for yourself to the kid so that it grows and continues to propagate your genes in the gene pool (or, at least work and spend time on finding more food than you need for yourself, getting yourself in danger and/or spending precious resources by the hunting, spending which might prove fatal to you)). At the same time, you can have another kid which can be normal, healthy individual which is a good candidate for spreading your genes further, without the gay gene. So, you kill your offspring (or expel, which is almost and equivalent to death in the animal world). And you produce another child, which most probably won't have that gene (or at least, won't get it to work). It is a delicate mechanism that developed over the eons. __ Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link: http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473 There is no such thing without its opposite -Bene Gesserit 21-06-2008 03:46 cynik Cp6uja Registration Date: 15-03-2005 Posts: 5,646 Helpfulness rating:  I believe it is being forced as well as a lot of other things. I believe there are people trying hard to make humanity more stupid, more into stupid unnecessary things in order for them to rule the world easier. subdue us and give us no choice but to follow some premade patterns.... __ https://soundcloud.com/tsai-vidro-voves 21-06-2008 10:45 Greyone Master Producer Registration Date: 01-04-2005 Posts: 6,285 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by cynik I believe it is being forced as well as a lot of other things. I believe there are people trying hard to make humanity more stupid, more into stupid unnecessary things in order for them to rule the world easier. subdue us and give us no choice but to follow some premade patterns.... indeed , there is deffinatly something going on ! i feel like stuck in this structurised bullshit , do this , do this then do this... with stupid things all around us , misleading us from what WE realy want ! i realy thought life would be different but the more i get to know , the more i know how deep this rabbit hole is you just have to see that there is something wrong with our perception of the truth , if you dont see that , then you'll just stay in your ... (but that differs from person to person ofcoarse) but like i heard from you cynik , that its harder for you to get somewhere else in europe because all the shit you have to make trough first ... can you explain that one again. 21-06-2008 11:11 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib The same is with the sexual objects. Our hard-wired sexual drive tells us that we should copulate with a desirable sexual object. But what is a desirable sexual object, is left to our brain to understand and seek. And these sexual objects sometimes get mistaken - like in gay sexual orientation. It is a result of the whole upbringing of a man/woman, of course. For example, if they constantly see gay people, that will be normal for them, and their sexual objects will be persons from the same sex. It doesn't have to be this way. I mean, it only takes to see gay sex or whatever for a few times while very young, and to get those things mixed up. The sexual drive is, to a certain extent, separated from the mental sexual imagering, and it will work (the drive) when it has a valid sexual object brought by the mental imagering. Much of this sounds like mere intellectualising. Which books have you read to produce this theory? It doesn't sound scientific, it sounds like mere philosophical theorising. I mean, where's the actual evidence for any of this? I, for one, know of two brothers which grew up with pretty much the same upbringing. Same school, same parents, same house, similar hobbies, similar friends, etc. Yet one of them grew up to be hetrosexual, the other homosexual. It's pretty clear that neither of them was exposed to gay imagery. They grew up in a small, rural community without any apparent or overtly gay people. Similarly, I know of someone who saw a couple having gay sex in a field while he was a young teenager. But it didn't have any effect on him in terms of being gay and he grew up to be hetrosexual. quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib Some people make great deeds. Some people shoot with rifles. Some fight with others, and show off. Some are gay (not pointing out that all gay are like this, but I could bet most of them are). And that's not because they choose to be gay! It's because they have had this desire to be special in others' eyes, and, somehow by the twist of natural randomization, they 'chose' that way. Actually, they didn't choose anything as random influences made that choice for them, of course. Again, this sounds like mere theoretical speculation. And even on a theoretical level, it doesn't make much sense. quote: Originally posted by Muad'Dib But the main thing that we argue here is the momentum. If increasing number of the gay part of these random influences start to come, the chances that an extreme individuality-seeking person (these are usually unstable personas such as little kids, teenagers and generally unstable persons) turns to gay are increasing. And that's the real problem, and the forcing that Cynik was arguing about (I believe). See, from what I can tell this is factually wrong. Are the numbers of gay people really increasing or is it just becoming more apparent and open in society? I think it's the latter, and I think that's what a few people here have a problem with. But the essential point in all this debate is this - what's important in life is peoples attitudes, the way they treat other people, the way they treat the environment, the things they achieve. Sexuality and sexual preference provides no justification for discrimination, taunting, hate, violence. The same goes for race and sex. Hopefully we can all agree on that. __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 21-06-2008 11:40 Tomos Infidel Registration Date: 15-04-2007 Posts: 2,276 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by cynik I believe it is being forced as well as a lot of other things. I believe there are people trying hard to make humanity more stupid, more into stupid unnecessary things in order for them to rule the world easier. subdue us and give us no choice but to follow some premade patterns.... That's an interesting point. Maybe it's true, although I seriously doubt it. I mean, who is controlling all this and what are their aims? Is it a conspiracy? __ MySpace | Soundcloud | Drumnbass.be | Facebook "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan 21-06-2008 11:45 Muad'Dib Andrejnalin Registration Date: 02-12-2003 Posts: 4,197 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Tomos Much of this sounds like mere intellectualising. Which books have you read to produce this theory? Unfortunately, I really am in a need of dream right now, but I promise to bring up the evidence and sources the next time I write here __ Thinking about becoming an Image-Line/FL Studio customer? Want a 10% reduction in price? Use this affiliate link: http://affiliate.image-line.com/BADEBDG473 There is no such thing without its opposite -Bene Gesserit 22-06-2008 03:36 Pages (2): « previous 1 [2] drumnbass.be forum » Drumnbass scene » Offtopic banter » sick ! pregnant man !