Please check out my new track 'Dark Horse (old Skool Vs Nu Skool Mix)' and post your comments here!
ez dotbe people! 1 or 2 of you may remember this was the first tune i posted up on this site when I registered. Criticsms were drums too thin (so layered an extra kick and snare for to make it more fat), piano was too dry (so i put sum reverb, delay and phase to it) and gernerally not everyone likes the hardcore vibe (sorry Tomos lol!
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anyways, this is a remix i been workin on, completely re-worked the drop and its more hardcore focused! (1st drop and second), i've stripped a lot of the scratching but left a few bits in there - i might cut them up and put sum delay on em for more of an fx sound?
I really need help on this guys, still a work in progress (bit embarrassing putting unfinished work up on here - kinda like turnin up to a party with only half ur clothes on - i feel exposed!!)
Any suggestions on how to make this better, any mistakes u can spot pls tell me
oh and ur opinion on the general vibe of the track would be nice too!
peace
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Firstly mate, big ups for your constant stream of helpful tune reviews, and not just for mine tunes but everyone elses too. It's peeps like you who make this website the best dnb producer-based website on the net. This website isn't just about the music, it's about the people behind it too, so well done.
OK, about your tune... I actually don't mind the hardcore elements in this.
They do at least fit the overall vibe, even if you're not a major fan of it.
The drums are still sounding a little thin to me, unfortunately. The snare and especially the kick are not loud and punchy enough. They seem a bit drowned by the other elements. What I really do like tho is the way the amen break is sounding. That punches through very nicely and it's very crisp sounding. I'd actually love to hear more of that. It sounds great and of course it fits the old skool vibe perfectly.
Structure wise it's pretty good, although maybe it's a tad stop-and-start.
The bass elements are very good. You seem to have a nice blend there. The melodies are good and there's a decent amount of sub too.
The overall sound is lacking a bit of presence for me, it needs more beefage. Also, there could be a tad too much reverb. I know you said this is still a work-in-progress tho. You use Reason right?
Nice tune overall mate. Keep 'em coming.
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14-06-2008 11:55
CLARKFADER unregistered
yeah , i agree with tomos on most of the stuff he said , the bass overpowers the track and i still think that the scratching sounds like its of a mix , it sounds great at the start , but the second part dont need to be in it !!!!!!!!! nice old skool feel , and alot better put together , but not sure about that wierd male sample !!!! this song would definately be a seller around about 97` time , maybe earlyer !!!!!!!!! feeling it thou !!!!!!
really feeling these sounds boss, nice and fast sounding, used to be a massive hardcore fan meself so im liking the influences. yeh the drums, beef em up! that bass drum sounds like it could do with some sidechaining, maybe pump up the frequencies around 100 hz for it, after that drop the sub down around that frequencies, sounds like sacrilage to do it but it will be better (sometimes it farts if u dont). snares, pump up from the 150hz to 250 hz to get more punch on em. anyways, that sub tho, ooooo nice, would like to hear it in a rave. yeh i rekon u could use that scratching a bit more sparse like but having said that i do like em - reminds me of the old days with Dream fm 107.6 yeeeh..
but yeh, the scratching and the hardcore sounds i rekon could do with a tad more effects here and there otherwise it sounds a bit like its taken from a sample pack.
anyways, having said all that (sounds a bit harsh sos) i am feeling this tune, would send me to the dance floor with me white gloves and a whistle, keep it pumping!
peace
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anyways, having said all that (sounds a bit harsh sos) i am feeling this tune, would send me to the dance floor with me white gloves and a whistle, keep it pumping!
Pshhhh HaHa.
I just listened to this one earlier the day on another forum so aye.
Ketzy forgot to mention that the Scratching was done over the tune by DJ Gunsmoke of Sound Kartel.
That halfstep part is way too long, it takes away any tension that had been built up before. When it drops the drums don't have enough impact, they should be louder (especially kick & snare). The pads could use a bit of extra stereo, the basses should be more mono. Somehow the scratching doesn't fit in there, it's good as a variation element or to end a section, but if you use it rather constant it sounds like old skool hiphop on speed (imo).
This version however is a big improvement compared to the previous one... keep improving!
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intro is well put together, drums sound too weak tho, main kick and snare should be enhanced as much as poss, layer em, eq, boost em, bring them to the forefront and the other soudnds will provide a backdrop for em, would help the drums a whole lot cuz the sounds themselves and the arrangment is all good.
loving the lead up to about 1:50, really buillds the tension a lot,
sub is nice and deep but a little overpowering, could use some compression to tame it a little, even it all out,
structure/ arrangment is really well done and its defo an improvment from the last version.....nice work!
Firstly - just wanted to say a massive thank you to you all for your v helpful reviews, as I said earlier, this is still a work in progress and the reason I posted it up was to help me out as i was a little stuck on this one
got loadsa feedback to work with here
@ Tomos - I'm glad that I got a more positive response from you on this one, really pleased with that! yes mate I use Reason (rewired with Cubase). As for the drums, yeah i boosted em and i reckon one of the only way I'm gna get them to sound more prominent is to turn (or compress) the bass down
@ Clarkfader - flattered with ur comments mate
although that male vocal - thats me! lol!!!! (pitched down, may work with that hmmmmm)
@ Shinyuri - get ur white gloves out, ur whistle and horn - that exactly the vibe i was goin for so I'm glad u "got" this on on that level! cheers geez and as for apologising for "sounding harsh" don't say that man, cuz i need criticsm and negative comments for me to know what (and learn from ) my mistakes are - so pls continue to be as upfront as poss i need it!
@ The Sentinel - cheers for the constant support bruv, and nice one pickin out that lil blip on the scratchin - no one else did so i'm gna have a look at that too!
@ BattleDrone - lots of good advice here mate thanks for that, i'm takin it all on board to improve my sound. and glad u noticed the improvement from the original - its comments like that that make me wanna keep on workin on this to get it finished
@ SI-FI - not sure about the out of time break...paid a lot of attention ot the beat programming - will double check! (maybe its cuz its so fast), wish u told me which sounds sounded under-produced - although i think i know the one ur chattin bout.. safe man!
@ Sephiroth - again, thanks for sum good advice here man, ur right i should probably compress that bass more so there is more room for the drums and glad u thought it was an improvement too!
So guys i'll tell u my main prob with this tune - it was made a good while ago now, before i started setting up my instruments in a particular way, so a lot of the "mistakes" are cuz the set-up is old and thats what i'm struggling with (getting each sound eq'd / compressed individually) - the set up is frikkin complex even moreso now i've added loads more stuff to it, anyways, i shall continue to battle on with this one. thanks again
I hear no kick drum from 2:00 onwards ? i think that is the mixdown problem ,eq is not well enough ,sub takes all freq ,no space for kick,i like those scratches you made them ? overal ,like the hardcore vibe its like taking you back to 15 years ago
Keep it up master Ketz
ez m8 drums need more punch and kick needs to stand out a bit more still layer another 2 snares 4 in all and hats r crisp just a bit loud can i suggest maybe a riseing sound on drop make the ravers no wots coming but a good new school oldschool vibe to it just my opinion look forward to next one
I just listened to this on your myspace and I was like woooorrrdddd? he made that? Fack!
I love that synth vibe, reminds me of one of my favorite vinyls: Stakka and Skynet - Weed. What sort of synth patch is that? I love it.
I'm on mac speakers - like little ninjas - you can't see em, you can't hear em. So that might be causing a lack of bass. I'll grab my technics headphones in a minute and reassess the situation
I love the piano w/ reverb - sounds old school. Beats are nice and groovy - amens are wicked! Scratching adds a nice carryover into each phrase. Wtf is that vocal? creeepyyyy dark horse? is that what he says
duh... I think I heard bass frequencies just there before the break! seriously I'll get my headphones...
Whoa ok there it is... sub bass! no wonder I couldn't hear it.
What amen is that I love it - reminds me a little bit of Hive - Ultrasonic Sound
Quality stuff man - I don't think I've heard anything like this before. And you can ask my Geordie friend - Oi fackin ate hardcore!
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