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aside from the sub layer... what's a good frequency to have the kick hit at? if I put it too high, it sucks and if it's too low, it gets consumed by the sub layer... any thoughts?
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Attack at 110-140 Hz, presence at 80-100 Hz, power at 50 Hz. At least I am close 
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Originally posted by Ghost
no no no
80-110Hz Deep thump
500-1000Hz dunno what you'd call it
3kHz-5-kHz Clicky Part
A boost in these regions will do you some favours. but instead of boost try to find sounds that might have these sort of parts already.
Layer up a nice live kick drum with a 909 or some sort of synthetic kick.
try a cut in the 250-400Hz area and that will give effect of a boost elsewhere.
i certainly wouldn't boost at 50Hz
if you want your kick and sub to live in closer harmony then i wouldn't, if anything i high pass right up until 60Hz. kick shouldn't need anything lower
but you got to take these figures with a pinch of salt as every kick is different and will need different EQ. these are just rough guidelines |
Yeah, well, it depends on the sample and the sound you're trying to achieve. But I may be mistaken.
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Originally posted by Ghost
no no no
80-110Hz Deep thump
500-1000Hz dunno what you'd call it
3kHz-5-kHz Clicky Part
A boost in these regions will do you some favours. but instead of boost try to find sounds that might have these sort of parts already.
Layer up a nice live kick drum with a 909 or some sort of synthetic kick.
try a cut in the 250-400Hz area and that will give effect of a boost elsewhere.
i certainly wouldn't boost at 50Hz
if you want your kick and sub to live in closer harmony then i wouldn't, if anything i high pass right up until 60Hz. kick shouldn't need anything lower
but you got to take these figures with a pinch of salt as every kick is different and will need different EQ. these are just rough guidelines |
wow, 3 -5? I would have it hit beetween 2-3 and I thought it was TOO clicky, so I guess the clicky part you have turned down more than the rest right?
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Some kicks have their click as high as 6-8kHz even, it all depends on the sample.
A good trick is to 'sweep' the EQ through the frequencies: put an EQ on the kick with a narrow Q (width) and a fair amount of boost, and slowly change the frequency while the song is playing. You can easily find sweet spots this way, as well as frequencies that sound bad or clash with other elements in the mix.
Then cut out the bad ones and boost the good ones.
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Originally posted by thechronic
Some kicks have their click as high as 6-8kHz even, it all depends on the sample.
A good trick is to 'sweep' the EQ through the frequencies: put an EQ on the kick with a narrow Q (width) and a fair amount of boost, and slowly change the frequency while the song is playing. You can easily find sweet spots this way, as well as frequencies that sound bad or clash with other elements in the mix.
Then cut out the bad ones and boost the good ones. |
I remember TheChronic mentioning this tip a dozen times till now
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How do you guys go about finding which frequencies to boost? Is it all trial and error, tweak until it sounds good? Or do you analyse the kick and see which frequencies are most dominant and boost them?
Does any of that make sense? Im still not too great with the technicals when it comes to EQ frequencies. I usually just tweak until i get the sound right, but i want to become a master of the EQ.
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Originally posted by Nebulizer
How do you guys go about finding which frequencies to boost? Is it all trial and error, tweak until it sounds good? Or do you analyse the kick and see which frequencies are most dominant and boost them?
Does any of that make sense? Im still not too great with the technicals when it comes to EQ frequencies. I usually just tweak until i get the sound right, but i want to become a master of the EQ. |
i'd say that the main thing is to create the kick/sound that you want while not interfering with other frequencies in the mix, most importantly your sub
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18-05-2008 16:04 |
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wow - very helpful guys, much appreciated...
I actually just finished a drum loop... and the kick's sub is hitting around 60 and below (duh) but the timbre of it I have peeking at around 500 but with hints of up to 1000k... sounds pretty good...
the main reason I asked this because when I had the kick hit with 3k (or around that area) it would mix with some of the cymbals that were hitting around that area, making it sound like there was extra hi hat in there... I side chained the cymbals to the kick, but I wasn't happy... so I killed the freq. in the kick, and it was getting lossed in the sub, if I lowered the sub, I was loosing alot of power... I guess, what I"m going to have to do is go over both frequencies (kick and cymbals) and drop and boost specific frequencies out of both... I just thought I'd ask before sitting down to a trial and error session... always good for imput... any thoughts?
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As long as you use a spectrum analyzer you're good, i like to divide all my frequencies up sperately such as 50-150, 150 -250, etc ...the kick will depend on what you have for when it comes to exsisting bass frequencies, sidechaining is a must! that might be why your sound is muddy?
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Originally posted by BConstruct
As long as you use a spectrum analyzer you're good, i like to divide all my frequencies up sperately such as 50-150, 150 -250, etc ...the kick will depend on what you have for when it comes to exsisting bass frequencies, sidechaining is a must! that might be why your sound is muddy?
SIDE CHAINING FOR KICKS AND BASS ETC link. |
yeah, def. - I pretty much live through my analyzer, it's the first thing I open when making drums or working on a track, just so I can see where everything sits originally before I tweak it (or I'll use FL's Eq.2 - good shit) - but yeah, I've always side chained by bass's sub to my kicks, however, now I'm sidechaining certain hi hats to my snare or to my kick, and I feel like I'm doing too much... I remember when I started, and I didn't imply as much technique, the sound was still good and not as complicated... I guess, it was just specific samples I was using... not sure... thoughts?
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if your listening to kicks to find a sample to use, you may get used to the sound of the one you choose, so then when you eq out the low freqs it sounds really weak. (this applies to most sounds actually) , but the important thing is that is sounds good in the mix.
100 hz (- OR + 20)is a good freq to have it peak at, as it sounds good on a club system...apparenly.
Listen to a SHy fx tune and the kicks are really high, atleast on his latest album. But listen to a new sub focus tune and their really low... check it in relation to the mix.
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its all good playing with eq and fine-tuning a million dials and sliders but if the kick aint hitting right, use another kick, completed eq settings will never sort out a kick if it sound wrong in the first place so if i aint working, try another one.
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
100 hz (- OR + 20)is a good freq to have it peak at, as it sounds good on a club system...apparenly.
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i usually peak mine around 100-120hz, i find it works for me, plus cos i cut my sub above 90hz, it gives the kick enough room
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