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I use it most of the times. I use the Fruity Peak Controller and link it to one of the Parametric EQ's sliders. It works miracles sometimes, and sometimes it can be hardly noticed, but it helps.
Make sure you set up the frequency and the amount of ducking right, so the bass doesn't loose noticeable sound which sux (unless you intend to get that effect).
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12-05-2008 17:32 |
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Halph-Price
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to sidechain, everytime i see that i go "ugh" and say BOLLOCKS. it's a cheap way of mixing, by just pushing the other stuff out, instead of actually mixing the track properly. but, it's an easy fix, and it can be a desirable effect. i just prefer to never use it ever at all. and my songs are usually more heavy in the kicks.
so you can have punchy kicks, big basslines, and not need to duck either and have them coexsist. there's no reason to duck, because the bass shouldn't be coming in at 100hz at all. the bass is coming at 50hz or 60hz or whatever,t he kick can come a bit aboe it but it's generally higher up then the bass, but not by much. the REAL sound fo the kick is not the 100hz is also a not big surprise. the kick punch comes through more at 700hz-1k and a bit at 5khz where you get the sharper initial hit. so you should be ducking that area more then the 100hz area frankly. but don't take my word ppl saying about your track the kick doens't have enough punch.
the kick and bass should be close to each other, but they shouldn't be taking up teh same freq. you should be able to have the bass going adn teh kick and niehte rof them stepping directly on eachother. they both occupy the lower spectrum but not the same section.
mostly sidechain is used on a kick drum and not affecting the bassline at all, but usually the vocals or the horns or something like that, that arn't int he bass. so whenever people say they use a sidechain for bass and kick combo, it makes me cringe i sually bite my tounge, but you shouldn't hav eto use them for that, it's just lazy mixing. using a side-chain for an effect and not mixing is much different tho. i might do that now. 
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This post has been edited 4 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 12-05-2008 19:08.
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Halph-Price
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12-05-2008 19:37 |
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Halph-Price
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we all got saturated subs, that's the nature of dnb, you use and EQ to notch out the 100hz on the bass, cuz it's usless noise.
let me rephrase myself about dynamic eq
it shouldn't be used to duck out an instrument to let the other one play because they're layering over one another. it shouldn't be used as a means of mixing. it's a lazy way, there's always ways to let both inst play and let them cut through. i.e. for vocals and guitar, usually you notch out around 4.5khz on the guitar which will get rid of some fo the bite, adn let the distinction of the vocals come through more.
which is a win/win you get both of them playing louder. and sounding better, becasue there's a lot fo rubbish freq that come with soudns that need to be sheared back. much like clipping a tree of uneeded branches to give it better shape.
but for using the sidechain as an effect and not as a mixing tool, which is what i storngly suggest it should be used for you could do sometihng like
THIS HERE
which is good.
for the kick exspecially it's not eh bass that's holding it down usually, it's the high up noises with hte "masking" effect going on, where high freq will mask lower freq. so it makes more snese to duck down inst like horns/guitar/vocals in time to the kick then the bass, because THEY are drowning the kick, not he bass.
not all together intuative. and i am explaining this not for your sake, but for any other newer artists. you know it all, they don't. you're not the only person here, you're the one that'll post, but others could read it. and it helps me also to explain it.
before this post i would enver have used side chain,, nowi think it's kinda cool. but thanks for your 2cents there ghost, i knowy uo're sucha nice perosn you cna't help but sprinkle your happiness all over.
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 12-05-2008 20:18.
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Halph-Price
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better example si have sene it sued as an actually "engineering technique" are more commonly:
Ducking:
like radio announcers do it, or some dj's, when the announcer speaks the music goes down a bit, and then when they stopt eh music comes back up automaticly.
Gating:
if you got a live drum kick and the kick is hard to get ti gated properly you use a programmed drum and gate ti to that, so reverse fo teh ducking, you make it turn up along with the kick, and down when the kick stops.
De-essing:
de-essing is tkaing out the harsh "s" in speech like if someone was HISSSSSSing into the mic,a dn makes it go all static. instead of just removing the freq that the speech all together, you can use a side-chain to be active and remove the freq only when they use hard "s". 2 duplicated tracks, one normal, the other band-pass so only the freq that sounds like ass pop-up in it, whenever there's a loud S that pops up it's compresses the whole normal track while they say the S, and then evrything goes back to normal for the rest of the speech.
these are 3 very basic ways are how sidechain is usually used in mixing. but by using them you can do a lot.
for an example using nothing but a constant tone generator doing 60hz, you can make a gate go with a kick that will let in a sub boost to your drum, it's more useful in Pro-Tools and recording uses.
still would never suggest it to be used if there's 2 instruments that have simular freq that overlayer eahcohter, UNLESS there's no other way to do it, that eq won't work, and more for record insturments they just happen to not be able to be fixed with anything else. even then, you can usually re-record, which i would suggest before too. 
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12-05-2008 20:32 |
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BattleDrone
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Originally posted by Ghost
I often use side-chain compression to varying degrees to help my kick cut through the sub on my tracks.
But sometimes its a bit too much and i cant get them to sit just how i'd like.
So i thought about using dynamic EQ to help this work better.
So basically what i want to happen is this:
When the kick hits, i want just 100Hz (or what ever freq is the main part of my kick) to duck on my sub not the whole volume of the sub.
Im pretty sure this is possible but just not used this technique before.
So what i want to know is if anyone here has used such techniques and what plugins did they use for it?
cheers 
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Do it all the time in FL studio. Works really well.
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12-05-2008 23:19 |
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Tomos
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Originally posted by Ghost
Know i know some people might jump in this but pendulum do use it and thier mixdowns are as tight as a ducks arse hole |
I bet those guys in Pendulum squeak when they walk.
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12-05-2008 23:21 |
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Sephiroth
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Originally posted by Tomos
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Originally posted by Ghost
Know i know some people might jump in this but pendulum do use it and thier mixdowns are as tight as a ducks arse hole |
I bet those guys in Pendulum squeak when they walk. |
yeh as cheesy as pendulums tunes are (bar a few), their mixdowns are real tight, check out nightbreed - pack of wolves (pendulum remix) and you can hear the side-chain compression ever so slightly, kick and sub sound prefect together.
still not mastered side-chain compression (yet) but if noisia have used it to good effect, cant remember tunes off top of my head, then im convinced.....
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