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Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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I know plenty of people have probably asked this already but I'm too much of a lazy bastard like usual to go trawling through the forum archives.

HeHe.

I want to have a go at making - [ No wait scrap that ].
I would really like to make Drum'n'Bass inspired tracks rather than the boring ass shitty elektronica and ambi-vibes shit I usually end up making.

I've watched quite a few of the videos on youtube but seeing as my internet keeps on being a bitch lately and disconnecting half way through loading a video ...
I get a bit bored of refreshing and starting all over again.

Can someone please explain to me how to make DnB, DubStep type bass and which synth is the best to use etc ... - Reason 4 mind. - No ReWire.
Or give me links to wonderful step by step tutorials. Big Grin

Thank you.
I appreciate your TIME. Honestly I do.
I know I'm a pain in the ass but ... Wink

0ot.

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02-05-2008 00:47

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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HaHa ...

I see. So it's like that is it ?

Nae bugger wants to help out the poor clueless bastard ?

Big Grin

02-05-2008 14:32

D2o

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lol

people are happier to give out techniques about beat than they are thier bass.

Suppose its because if someone told you how they make thier bass sounds then you might end up sounding like them.

Wakefield eh

not too far from me i see Big Grin

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02-05-2008 14:52

BattleDrone BattleDrone is a male

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I's funny how impatient one can be. You post a question just after midnight asking people for the magic formula that doesn't exist and only 14 hours later you are getting upset already.

I'll tell you how to make drumnbass if you tell me how to paint a beautiful painting first. This is about art, you can't explain it in formulas. The big idea behind this site is that you try and get judged, learn from it and try again until you give up or until you reach perfection.

If you're too lazy to search and try you'll never make it.

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02-05-2008 17:01

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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quote:

Originally posted by Ghost
lol

people are happier to give out techniques about beat than they are thier bass.

Suppose its because if someone told you how they make thier bass sounds then you might end up sounding like them.

Wakefield eh

not too far from me i see Big Grin

0ot & where might you be from esé ?

I was from Wakefield yeah.
Been living over here in this godforsaken shithole they call Spain for the past 5 years [almost] the now. - HaHa.

I wasn't asking for exactly how you make your bass step by step persay.
More just a basic general guide on how to develope my own.
I know the DnB reese made up by combining 2 or 3 instruments together, sine waves for the wobble, saws for the dark bass, etc ... Bit of tape dist ... etc ... again ...
Blah blah blah ...

Really an rns file to disect would be really appreciated ...
But I know that's too much to ask for ...
So I'm just asking the basics of how to create my own patches and what fx distortion I should use etc ...

Blah de Blah ...

I've watched some of the tutorials on youtube but half of the fuckers on there don't explain shit too good or I don't understand their accents and either way they never ever give you a proper good detailed tutorial.

HaHa ...
I think maybe I ranted a wee bit too much eh !!! Big Grin

0ot.

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02-05-2008 17:04

Tomos

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Fuckin hell mate, stop being bone-idle. It sounds like you already know the basics. Get on your computer and start experimenting. That's how most of us learn this stuff, not by people giving it to us on a plate. If you're not even willing to search through the site - it doesn't take long and you'll probably find that your questions have already been answered - then how can you expect people to be bothered to help you.

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02-05-2008 20:55

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by BattleDrone
I's funny how impatient one can be. You post a question just after midnight asking people for the magic formula that doesn't exist and only 14 hours later you are getting upset already.

I'll tell you how to make drumnbass if you tell me how to paint a beautiful painting first. This is about art, you can't explain it in formulas. The big idea behind this site is that you try and get judged, learn from it and try again until you give up or until you reach perfection.

If you're too lazy to search and try you'll never make it.

Actually I did search through the forum but there are that many posts you know and I didn't find what I was looking for.
I'm sorry if I came across as being impatient but it was just my way of using sarcastic humor. I know you can't explain things in formulas. But you can set me going in the right direction so I can develope & evolve with my music.

I tend to learn by studying other peoples work just like I used to do when I learned to program in VB6.
Some of the posts on here might have been useful if I understood what was being said in simpler terms.

It's like if someone said to me:
"Sawtooth, Sine wave, detune -15 / +15.

I'd be like What the fuck ?
Sawtooth what ?, Detune what ? - [Must have lost that bit of knowledge somewhere in me subconcious] - HeHe.

You've got to understand that some people who have no music theory knowledge and are just starting out learning to make music are probably going to be thinking "What the fuck ?"

HaHa.

Shit, Sorry man.
I like to rant a wee bit.

Oh yeah if you want to learn how to paint beautiful paintings then you can come round my house I'm sure my mum will be happy to teach you how to paint. Tongue

03-05-2008 00:49

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by Tomos
Huh

Bone idle, Me ?
I've been experimenting all day & now I've got a wee headache.
Been trying out various side-chaining methods and cv modulation through the matrix, the compressor & the spiders.
Been trying to work on creating DnB Reeses and bass type patches without y'all help.
Seen as YES I already know every persons bass is their own secret formula,
But I suppose you can say what you like seen as you already make top dog beats !!! Bigup

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I'll take the long road then. If I ever manage to make a good DnB track I can give meself a good ol' pat on the back eh !!! -
[Be a few good years at the rate I'm going though methinks] 0ot.

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03-05-2008 01:00

thechronic thechronic is a male

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Here is a very good starting point if you want to find good info:
Tutorials / Knowledge base thread (read all production related informations here!)

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03-05-2008 02:44

Phalanx Phalanx is a male

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For a nice, reese type bass try splitting it up into 3 different channels- low, mids and highs. Distort/reverb the lows, distort/flange the mids and use some filter cutoff automation to give the bass some movement.

Of course underneath all of this you'll need a sub bass, 60hz sine wave with a high level of compression.

You can find some good tutorials for bass on youtube, try the Panda DnB reese tutorial:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y1BI-KVnJuE

It's worth a refresh if you can't load it straight up.

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03-05-2008 02:51

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard
For a nice, reese type bass try splitting it up into 3 different channels- low, mids and highs. Distort/reverb the lows, distort/flange the mids and use some filter cutoff automation to give the bass some movement.

Of course underneath all of this you'll need a sub bass, 60hz sine wave with a high level of compression.

You can find some good tutorials for bass on youtube, try the Panda DnB reese tutorial:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y1BI-KVnJuE

It's worth a refresh if you can't load it straight up.

See peoples !
That's what I was talking about. - Big Grin

[I have already watched the Panda tutorial] - Thank you though. Bigup

I meant some of the longer video tutorials that are on for nearly 20 minutes or more,
Are too much of a pain in the arse to refresh each time they stop loading.
For example the "acepincter" tutorials.

Oh &:
Distort being the "tape distortion" right ?

& as an afterthought ...
Samplecraze has some useful videos on his youtube: Subtractor synth design.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Samplecraze
Or better yet some pretty in depth production and music theory tutorials on his web:
http://www.samplecraze.com/tutorial.php
From compression to eQ'n to snyth design. Studio set up etc ...

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03-05-2008 03:11

Phalanx Phalanx is a male

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Personally, I like using some overdrive on basses to dirty them up. Also the free "tube amp" plugin by Voxengo can give some nice effects.

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03-05-2008 04:51

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by MinasTirithGuard
Personally, I like using some overdrive on basses to dirty them up. Also the free "tube amp" plugin by Voxengo can give some nice effects.

That would be all good if I were using FL instead of Reason.
Maybe I should just go against what I don't want to do ...
ReWire time.
But like I said I hate the fact that Reason becomes Fr0oty's slave.
And personally speaking I have almost nae experience at all with FL.
Maybe I should give it a go once I'm satisfied that I've got the hang of Reason.
Bit at a time eh !!? - Don't want to screw my already confused mind up anymore than it already is.

Never give big kids more toys than they can handle !!!
Should make that a rule. - HaHa.

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03-05-2008 04:59

Phalanx Phalanx is a male

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FL's biggest strength is its ease of use. If you can use Reason, you'll almost certainly be able to use FL.

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03-05-2008 05:53

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Aye I suppose that's true.
But I like reason for the fact that it's so close to resembling hardware.
To me visually it's easier to use than all the clutter of seperate windows within Fruity Loops. Lots of windows and drop downs end up doing my head in a wee bit mind.
I've tried ReWiring to FL twice unsucessfully - [haha] - I only wanted to do so for the voxengo audio spectrum plugin. But I've found a couple of stand-alone spectrums that work direct through the internal audio of my laptop ad can also be set up to view left and right audio channels seperately.

All said and done I'm starting to get the grasp of making my own patches in reason and what each button, slider, knob does etc ...
Through experimenting with them.

Plus I've been reading up on the theoretical side of music production which has also been helping my understanding of the principals of creating music.

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03-05-2008 13:06

BattleDrone BattleDrone is a male

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You'll be more successful in learning if you ask direct questions rather than general knowledge.

Is this bass any good?
How do I make a sound like <link to clip>?
How do I get my bass to move/wobble/twist like <link to clip>?
How do I rewire Reason into Cubase so I can use all kinds of nice plugins?
What break is used in <link to clip>?
How do I layer drums?
Why is this instrument distorted in this mixdown?

That kind of questions (one at a time) could give you really positive and usefull feedback as people will see you are trying to make progress rather than ordering then menu.

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03-05-2008 14:05

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by BattleDrone
You'll be more successful in learning if you ask direct questions rather than general knowledge.

Is this bass any good?
How do I make a sound like <link to clip>?
How do I get my bass to move/wobble/twist like <link to clip>?
How do I rewire Reason into Cubase so I can use all kinds of nice plugins?
What break is used in <link to clip>?
How do I layer drums?
Why is this instrument distorted in this mixdown?

That kind of questions (one at a time) could give you really positive and usefull feedback as people will see you are trying to make progress rather than ordering then menu.

Ok.
How do I ReWire Reason into Cubase Sx when I don't have it ? Big Grin

I always have problems when it comes to ordering from menus.
Ok, Ok, How do I ReWire into FL so I can use lots of nice Plugins that I can create DnB bass with and what plugins are good for that ?

Thnk you for your time peoples !

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03-05-2008 16:47

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Tbh i find reason one of the best programs for making bass as you can stack up a load of synths into a combinator and get some real nice layered warpy business

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03-05-2008 16:52

Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Originally posted by Ghost
Tbh i find reason one of the best programs for making bass as you can stack up a load of synths into a combinator and get some real nice layered warpy business

I have been using combinators with 3 or more malstroms running through a spider.
Then tryed using scream4 and various other fx on them.

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03-05-2008 17:20

D2o

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Here you go a present from me to you lol

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vpgg0g

a combi patch i just knocked up. Made with one malstrom. Just shows that its all in the processing.

If you use it in a tune let me know Wink

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03-05-2008 17:51

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