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Sentinel Sentinel is a male

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Could someone please tell me or at least guide me in the right direction of how I should be equalizing in Reason 4.0 please. Huh

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Like for instance which Equalizer should I use the M-class or the 2 band parametric !?
Should I eQ the overall mix or eQ the tracks seperately?

Is there any ways or programs or inside knowledge you can give me to make eQ'n a breeze. -
Like for instance a run down of what you lot do.

Thanks for your time people. =D !

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19-04-2008 20:57

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I don't know a great deal about EQing, but don't forget you also have an eq built in the vocoder. A lot more flexible than the others Wink

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20-04-2008 00:44

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Oh yah !!!

Thanx man I forgot about the vocoder.

I'm actually fairly new to producing so I was just wondering how you all master and eQ your tracks. - To give me a basic grasp of understanding.

Like what additional hardware or software do you use if any.

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20-04-2008 00:56

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the first question is what Eq'ing actually is and does.

first of all you can eq for two different purposes:
1. mixing issues, sound puzzling, creating the right position for a track, mostly not too extreme, boosting frequencies a little with nice bell q-factors and cutting hi or low ends ...
2. filtering, sound shaping, mostly slightly more extreme since this isn't really mixing, it's actually composing the sound and what it's gonna represent in your track

basically what you're trying to do by eq'ing a track is that you're cutting out all the frequencies you're not gonna be needing for that particular track and boosting those you particularly want vividly present in that track
like f.e. a drumtrack may have some heavy low end around 40-50 up to 100-150 hz, which sounds cool when you solo the track but which rhumbles with the bass sounds in the mix, so you want to cut those out
strangely enough by cutting these frequencies the drum gets an overall punchier low end, while actually you're taking them out. this is because the lower harmonics from the bassdrum/toms/whatever are now cut and aren't fighting anymore with other more important elements in that range
this is a typical example of eq'ing for mixing purposes

if you have some white noise for example, which is used a lot nowadays to fill up the space behind the drums, you're gonna want to cut the mid frequencies for example, but depending on which frequencies you cut at which qfactor and which gain settings are greatly gonna alter and influence the characteristics of the sound.
you can create a 200hz peak with some white noise filtered down and boosted round the 200hz area, or you can create filtered, shaker-like patterns if you cut the lows and the mids from the noise and lift the attack a wee bit.
this is a typical example of eq'ing for soundshaping/designing purposes

which eq you use in reason and on what track is entirely up to you
some tracks just need a little simple bass cut or hi cut, so i suggest taking a two band eq for that,
if you wanna eq for mixing issues with a bit more advanced 3 band /hi & lo shelf eq, take the Mclass EQ
if on the other hand you wanna use the eq to really filter your sound, try the eq from the vocoder, very colourful and powerful eq

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20-04-2008 18:59

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theres plenty of free eq vst's out there on the net

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20-04-2008 23:39

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the only real advice for eq is dont boost, cut and turn up the volume instead. if its too silent, compress.

vocoder eq for soundshaping

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21-04-2008 06:52

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Thank you for all the feedback.
I've started using the vocoder to eQ and it is a lot better than the equalizers that come with Reason.

Actually I'm using a combinator patch I found on combinatorhq.com.
Which uses too vocoders - One to analyze and the other one for the eQ'n as well as 2 two-band parametrics - one for cutting & one for boosting [If you want to use them]

Thanx for the in depth explanation esé.

Seeing as I keep on telling people who don't seem to hear me.
Reason doesn't have VsT capability without ReWiring.

So If anyone can tell me any good spectrum analyzer programs that work directly through your internal audio - Like for instance: Spectrum analyzer pro live 2007 [ Which I can't afford and can't find an unlock patch for it anywhere], It would be greatly aprreciated.
Thanks.

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21-04-2008 20:15

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Originally posted by TheSentinel
Seeing as I keep on telling people who don't seem to hear me.
Reason doesn't have VsT capability without ReWiring.

true but the thing is. its got enough eqing if youre workign with the right samples

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22-04-2008 00:25

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EQing each track on it's own is a lot of work, but gives better results.

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22-04-2008 07:33

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there is no other way.

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22-04-2008 08:34

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@ cynik

sorry to take this off topic but wot speakers are those in your pic? decent low end? would you recommend em?

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22-04-2008 19:55

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I kind of figured it was better to eQ each track seperately.
More control over the whole mix that way.
But sometimes they don't need eQ'n ...
As I've figured out and also read in some of the other posts.

As for the spectrum analyzer would you recommend getting a real one or is there anyone going to tell me where I can get a win32 app' that isn't a plugin and works right off of my internal audio !?

0ot.

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if ya want a clean crisp mix then there is no other way than eq'in!

deffo a big turning point in my production when i began doing it.......... with help from the .be crew of coarse!

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22-04-2008 21:48

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Originally posted by CULTURE BOY
if ya want a clean crisp mix then there is no other way than eq'in!

deffo a big turning point in my production when i began doing it.......... with help from the .be crew of coarse!

Yeah man I know there is no other way of getting a clean mix if you don't eQ - Well maybe if you get someone else to do it for you ... HeHe.

What I meant was that you don't always need to eQ each and every single track.
Sometimes you just need to eQ certain tracks and cut certain frequencies to bring out some of your other sounds and make it sound clean overall.

I think ...

Wait a minute I have nae fackin' idea what I'm gannin' oan aboot !

HaHa.

Well I'm still learning the basics but I'm learning something new everyday.
From you guys and from old fashioned experimenting.
Hardware coming soon too. - Hopefully. If my hardware wizard friend comes through and pulls his finger out of his erse !
Supposed to be sorting me out with a roland drum machine, an 8ch mixer, korg synth and some fx modu-boxes.

I'm gettin' piss bored of waiting though.
Think I'm a have to slap him around a bit the morrow.

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22-04-2008 21:58

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yeah man, i want some hardware but pennies n family = not a lot of cash lol

most of the software based stuff does the same as hardware n dont cost as much ( as im told )

practice mate....... thats the key to it all!

it takes time n ya got to just grin n bear it.

all the things will slot into place soon...... hopefully lol Big Grin

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quote:

Originally posted by CULTURE BOY
yeah man, i want some hardware but pennies n family = not a lot of cash lol

most of the software based stuff does the same as hardware n dont cost as much ( as im told )

Aye but call me errrr ...
I like cables, I like buttons & sliders ...
HaHa ...

I'm not exactly made of money either.
I do a 10 hour shift a day 5 days a week for beans.
Hopefully it will go up soon ! [ But Spanish being spanish and their motto always being tomorrow] - I doubt it will.

Nah the hardware will be free well the mixer will at least but ...
I have a friend who rather stupidly took out a £6000 loan to buy DJ equipment.
I'd say he got ripped off.
Cost him €1200 per technics vinyl deck, And about the same price for a set of numark cd decks + whatever it cost him for the denon mixer.
The rest of the money went on 2nd hand hardware - Which I think he has only ever used once, Because it's all been sitting under a table collecting dust for the past 6 months or so. So we asked if we could take it seeing as he ain't ever going to use it.
HaHa. Doped

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22-04-2008 23:10

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Originally posted by sephiroth
@ cynik

sorry to take this off topic but wot speakers are those in your pic? decent low end? would you recommend em?

oh lol thats just my aiwas Big Grin

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and its not me on the pic, its a mate. it is my bat though Devil

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22-04-2008 23:23

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Originally posted by cynik

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Originally posted by TheSentinel
Seeing as I keep on telling people who don't seem to hear me.
Reason doesn't have VsT capability without ReWiring.

true but the thing is. its got enough eqing if youre workign with the right samples

Aye but I was refering to every muppet who keeps telling me that there are lots of free VsT spectrum analyzers, but don't seem to take notice of the fact that I said eQ'n in Reason & not a VsT compatible program !

I can ReWire to Fr0oty but I cannae be bothered just for the sake of one bloody plugin which I have anyways.

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22-04-2008 23:30

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Difficult one this

The only program I can think of that might work for you is Har-Bal

Which is capable of completing a detailed spectral analysis of an audio file but runs standalone without the need for a vst host.

I dont think you can route audio straight into it on the fly so again you would need to export your audio out of reason first, then analyse it. Is that any easier than having rewiring into a separate daw running a vst plug in analyser? Fuck Knows Teeth

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http://www.har-bal.com/images/figure4.gif

While I was lookin for an answer to this, I came across this which turns your PDA into a handheld spectrum analyser that I thought might interest some of ya

http://www.soft32.com/download_161046.html

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23-04-2008 08:08

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lol that harbal is really something, stating it can do smart eqing on its own. lol. Im gonna put that to the test Devil

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