i have always followed to the rule to have your kick the loudest part of your mix, but i find that my kicks sound too way too loud in the mix, even if they are only slightly lower than the bass, just wondering if anyone could help me out. cheers
The easiest solution is probably the best cos there's no need for any fancy tricks with the kick. One of the most important things is making sure it doesn't conflict with the bass (which is usually caused by having too many lows together). Btw, where did you get the idea that the kick should be the loudest part of your mix? That doesn't sound right to me. If anything, the snare is usually a little more dominant than the kick.
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yeh to be honest thats why i made this post because i was really beggiing to doubt what i read was true, i really cant remember where i read it, but it was a couple of years ago when i started producing, and i just stuck to that rule, i have been lowering the kick on my last couple of tunes and just wanted confirmation that i was doing the right thing in lowering the kick
brilliant, thanks guys this is going to be a major help to my production, like i said i have been doubting this 'rule' for quite some time now. when i read it was probably in my first week of producing and it kind of made sense that you would want to fit everything around the kick but after trying hundreds of different things to try and soften up my kicks to sound like kicks of similar tunes nothing was working so it had to be that this 'rule' was wrong and the vol. had to be lowered
"some tracks might suit a really loud kik others, not so"
rawtekk - open borders......very loud kick, sounds lush, but yeh no rules to the kick really, woteva sounds rite to you, jus make sure that the kick and bass (sub bass in particular) sit well together and dont conflict or sound 'flabby'.
Originally posted by junglist06
i have always followed to the rule to have your kick the loudest part of your mix, but i find that my kicks sound too way too loud in the mix, even if they are only slightly lower than the bass, just wondering if anyone could help me out. cheers
Maybe side chain the kick and the sub (the sub of the kick that is) so that they fit snuggly together... maybe? no? either way, I always follow the rule that the snare fundamental should be the loudest, not crazy louder, but definetly noticeable if observing through an analyzer... maybe that's just me...
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"Clownstep is a derisory term, used by certain listeners to describe a certain style in a negative way, it's not a subgenre as such, but most producers would feel insulted by the labelling of their music as "clownstep"."
the kikc does have fancy solutions no matter what they say, of all the drum kit instruemtns it's the most heavily proccessed ones.
first i always ALWAYS us PSPBass, a great compressor ment for contorll bass. but regardles you can still do the same thing with a boost int he 100hz and below area, followed by a compressor.
second i take a peak eq, and crank it up, as a narrow bandbass, bascily, and slowly scan through the 600hz-100hz area on the eq, of the bass kick, and you'll find a part that when made a lot louder sounds like poo. remove that it's usually 200hz ont he kick.
after that you'll have a thicker kick with punch, but if you're using poo samples, it's never gunna sound good loud either.
and one of the best ways to make ANYTHING stick into a mix better usually is just turning it down a little bit.
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yeah why not try turn the volume down and then compress the kick - that way you can have a defined presence of the sound without it being too loud (just my opinion ofcourse - like the guys above me say theres no fixed rule best experiment with a few ideas as different techniques apply to different tunes )
When I started to compose I was looking for all kinds of rules and theories to help me improve my sound. The effect was just the opposite.
Simple rules that actually work:
- Use good samples, you can't polish a turd
- Trust your ears
- If it ain't broken, don't fix it
- A-B listen with a well produced track
- Keep it simple
- Try try try (you can't learn kung-fu by talking about it, production is no different)
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
When I started to compose I was looking for all kinds of rules and theories to help me improve my sound. The effect was just the opposite.
Simple rules that actually work:
- Use good samples, you can't polish a turd
- Trust your ears
- If it ain't broken, don't fix it
- A-B listen with a well produced track
- Keep it simple
- Try try try (you can't learn kung-fu by talking about it, production is no different)
so BD - I'm really curious as to what your sound is like - have u got any tunes I could have a listen to (and turn the tables on ya - review one of YOUR tracks for a change! lol)
Originally posted by BattleDrone
When I started to compose I was looking for all kinds of rules and theories to help me improve my sound. The effect was just the opposite.
Simple rules that actually work:
- Use good samples, you can't polish a turd
- Trust your ears
- If it ain't broken, don't fix it
- A-B listen with a well produced track
- Keep it simple
- Try try try (you can't learn kung-fu by talking about it, production is no different)
Words of wisdom!
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
When I started to compose I was looking for all kinds of rules and theories to help me improve my sound. The effect was just the opposite.
Simple rules that actually work:
- Use good samples, you can't polish a turd
- Trust your ears
- If it ain't broken, don't fix it
- A-B listen with a well produced track
- Keep it simple
- Try try try (you can't learn kung-fu by talking about it, production is no different)
definetly like that quote... I was talking to a buddy of mine and he said...
"I could tell you all day how to rebuild a car engine, but unless you working on a car at the same time, it won't make much sense...."
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"Clownstep is a derisory term, used by certain listeners to describe a certain style in a negative way, it's not a subgenre as such, but most producers would feel insulted by the labelling of their music as "clownstep"."
i also love a loud kick (and a loud mix) so i tend to get a bit of low end clashing sometimes.
strange that i cant seem to be satisfied unless the kick is boomy, even though i love the acoustic subtle kicks in liquid tracks, i can never quite bring myself to do that.
but yeah, start off with clean good quality samples or you are fighting a losing battle!
when it comes to proccessing sounds, sometimes less is more.
