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I had a huge argument the other day with someone about dnb producers not being musicians (I was talking to someone who loves shit like alternative rock), so I looked up musician in the dictionary:
NOUN - A person who is talented or skilled in music /or/ a person who plays a musical instrument esp. professionally.
Are we musicians or sound tech's?? or both...i couldn't quite finish the argument... but fukken hell, its music, we do everything..drums, bass, fx, compression....all over the board. But it is still just programming, can't perform it all live.
I would love to get some of your opinions on this... I know u all have ur little thoughts about it.
thanks!
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22-01-2008 13:39 |
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BattleDrone
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That alternative rock guy is a silly ass wanker!
Who cares, I like what I do and I don't need a label.
It's like saying that someone who paints abstract paintings is not an artist.
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22-01-2008 14:24 |
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Muad'Dib
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I believe that we are musicians, just experimental ones. We play with FX and technology to make sound compositions which are danceable and have rhythm and instruments and all that - which is music.
The musicians that oppose this are very much in mourning because they had to practice every day for 2 hours, for 10 years before they can play the guitar exactly as they like it, and we need like 2-3 months to learn the software and scales etc. to get the same result.
That's the basic reason they don't call us musicians. And frankly, I don't care. I can program the best part of piano composition which no piano player can play and still be music, and still people will like it.
Furthermore, I can program a robot hand to play that piece on a piano, or guitar much better than any musician (swing and humanizing included) and still that will be music.
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22-01-2008 14:32 |
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Glim
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22-01-2008 17:01 |
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Tomos
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Fundamentally, I think the dnb producer and the traditional musician are doing the same thing - arranging sounds into musical form using instruments. Where's the fundamental different between someone who, say, creates a piece of music by playing the piano and someone who creates that same piece of music by programming a piano synth? The only difference is in the method by which that piece is created. In a sense, the pianist is still doing a programmers job - he has to select which key to push in order to create the desired piece of music. Likewise, the dnb producer has to do the same thing, only he uses a different method. The dnb producer still requires all the creativity, musical knowledge, and compositional skill that the pianist does.
The only type of dnb producer that is not a musician, imo, is someone who basically just uses samples of other peoples loop and melodies and puts them together into a 'song' - thats a programmer.
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22-01-2008 18:24 |
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You create music, therefore you are a musician
Just because you dont strum on a guitar, doesn't mean that your not. Not at all.
@ Battledrome u got it in one mate.
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24-01-2008 18:04 |
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Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by Tomos
Where's the fundamental different between someone who, say, creates a piece of music by playing the piano and someone who creates that same piece of music by programming a piano synth? The only difference is in the method by which that piece is created. In a sense, the pianist is still doing a programmers job - he has to select which key to push in order to create the desired piece of music. Likewise, the dnb producer has to do the same thing, only he uses a different method. The dnb producer still requires all the creativity, musical knowledge, and compositional skill that the pianist does.
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Maybe people are not intrigued which seems that they can do it themselves (arrange notes and compose on a computer), but seem amazed by things that, they presume, cannot be done by them (like becoming a pro pianist)?
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