 CLARKFADER - WESTERNIZED !!!!!!! |
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Please check out my new track 'WESTERNIZED !!!!!!!' and post your comments here!!!
i think this might be the last track i put on this site , starting to get really disheartend by the ratings i`ve bin getting , i just dont understand how people seem to like my tracks but i always get low ratings , doesent make sence !!!! my last track went from 3 and a half stars to 2 stars , about 35% , it wasent that bad , i know my style is`ent to everyones taste and a bit old skool , but theres not nothing wrong that , spose im just showing my age !!!! maybe the rating system needs to be changed a bit , would be an idea to have a 2 rating stars instead of 1 .... one obviously to show how good the production is and then one to reflect how good the track is to the individual , just an idea !!! it would be good to know how people rated the production of the track ( i.e how they scored the making of the drums or the eqing ) cause its all well and good having a rating but if you dont know what other people scored u`r production skills , its just seems abit pointless !!!
anyway hope u n-joy , sorry to go on but when u work hard on your tracks and they get such a low rating , it just makes me mad to think that all my hard work has gone to waste , if u dont like my style dont rate it as i dont rate yours if i dont !!!!!
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15-01-2008 13:41 |
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BattleDrone 
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Track is very cool! Relaxed, not compressed to the max, everything fits, you really show great progress in your productions. This one is much much better than your previous one.
If I had to say something negative it would be that the intro is really long an perhaps it's a bit too much.
Indeed you show your age (I'm in the same age group). This sounds very old skool, but old skool is hot again (Rufige Cru), so hang on.
I know the frustration of working a long time on a decent track and getting only 30-something percent for it. When you make a mindless dancefloor pumper you can get 4 stars easily.
Ratings should not be done based on taste, it's the technical side of things that should be the most important.
It would be a loss to not have tracks like this one on the site. Showing separate scores for the different aspects of a track is planned, but TheChronic is very bussy, so please be patient. I wanted to start coding for the site, but I also noticed I have little to no time to do so.
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15-01-2008 14:06 |
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collective
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you see there is where your problem is man you donte rate other peoples if you dont like it so mabye people are rating your stuff whack cus to them it is whack!!!!!!!!
thats life aint it really
to be honest your tunes arent that special good efforts like and as you are new to it you can only get better
my stuff aint the best either before you think about slating mine!!!
your stuff is too tinny sounds really amatuer to the ear and if you eqed it more and made it sound that little bit better then people would rate it more plus having a bad attitude doesnt help mate keep your chin up get better then when you have made it as a serious producer you can look back at this and say well i did it with out you and on your own
you dont need other people to massage your ego
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did you know that some men go out with men not as freinds!!! huummm thats a bit odd aint it!!!!!!
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15-01-2008 16:46 |
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CLARKFADER
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Originally posted by collective
you see there is where your problem is man you donte rate other peoples if you dont like it so mabye people are rating your stuff whack cus to them it is whack!!!!!!!!
thats life aint it really
to be honest your tunes arent that special good efforts like and as you are new to it you can only get better
my stuff aint the best either before you think about slating mine!!!
your stuff is too tinny sounds really amatuer to the ear and if you eqed it more and made it sound that little bit better then people would rate it more plus having a bad attitude doesnt help mate keep your chin up get better then when you have made it as a serious producer you can look back at this and say well i did it with out you and on your own
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i dident say i did not rate other peoples tracks , i said i dident rate the tracks that i dident like the style of , big difference , if someone dont like a track 4 its style , people tend to rate things low , cause thats how the rating system goes !!!! plus if u knew me u`lled know i havent got an attitude !!!!!!!!!!
you say my stuff is too tinny , why has no one else said that , uhh 
!!!!!!!!!! how am i sposed to progress if no one has said these things , thats why i wrote the message !!!!!!!!
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15-01-2008 17:35 |
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collective
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thats because not many people on here seem to not want to hurt peoples feelings
if you want to get better advice post your stuff on dogs on acid they will rip your stuff apart and help you if you ask properly its up to you mate stay here posting or try doa and see what they say.
even though you dont like other styles you should really try to review them i hate jump up wobble shit but still take the time to review them the more you give the more you recieve my man
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did you know that some men go out with men not as freinds!!! huummm thats a bit odd aint it!!!!!!
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15-01-2008 17:58 |
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Binary Havoc
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EZ Clark
I try make every review I give a true reflection of what I actually think. Sometimes comments about the production values of a tune come easy and sometimes they don't regardless of whether I like a tune or not. So sometimes my reviews are insightful and sometimes they're shit. I'd never not review a tune cos it wasn't my style though.
Anyway, back to this tune.
Yeah it's got your old skool vibe happenin.
Like the guitar sample, kick is a bit lost when the tune gets very busy, some of the amen breaks work pretty well, snare is a bit too snappy and could do with a bit more help around the lower end to make it a bit punchier.
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15-01-2008 18:54 |
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Schmidi
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I hear what you're saying, I have some I thought would go higher and some I know were destined for ridicule. The thing is, you gotta take it in stride, just like with criticism in any facet of life. I know it can be toughest when it is your art/craft, but remember, if YOU are proud of it, nobody can take that from you unless you let them.
On to the track...Nice ambient sounds and atmosphere created at the intro. Would be a good 1st track in a set of neurofunk. I like that you don't stick to the "bass must drop by 1:05" theory here. I am being more experimental in that regard and have found it refreshing. Kind of reminds me of Luke Vibert's PLUG tracks in that it takes you on a journey.
Keep your head up and don't go away! I like what I'm hearing!
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16-01-2008 03:54 |
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Phalanx
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I really like your drum programming, althought I think the snare is a bit overpowering, especially near the end of the mix.
I think your melodic elements are a bit lacking; apart from the drums it sounds like mostly a collection of echoing samples. Maybe a bit more of a distinct theme would benefit your work.
As for the ratings, shit happens. I got ranked at 60% in a sculpture scholarship application where the winner stacked a bunch of small stones on top of each other and called it "Finding Balance" You just keep improving until you can stick it to the man.
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16-01-2008 07:33 |
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2clix
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Its all good in the hood, you'll get your stars
intro seems a bit long and when you build your drums the pad stops for a couple of secs, through me off a bit. I can see how you named this track, but this sounds more funky then westerney with that jimmy hendrix funk guitar type thing. Think the bass good use some beefing up. I like it, some good quality ideas all in all.
Stay up soldier
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16-01-2008 08:37 |
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CLARKFADER
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Originally posted by Schmidi
I hear what you're saying, I have some I thought would go higher and some I know were destined for ridicule. The thing is, you gotta take it in stride, just like with criticism in any facet of life. I know it can be toughest when it is your art/craft, but remember, if YOU are proud of it, nobody can take that from you unless you let them.
On to the track...Nice ambient sounds and atmosphere created at the intro. Would be a good 1st track in a set of neurofunk. I like that you don't stick to the "bass must drop by 1:05" theory here. I am being more experimental in that regard and have found it refreshing. Kind of reminds me of Luke Vibert's PLUG tracks in that it takes you on a journey.
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i hear u man , thankz !!!!!!!!!!!
peace !!!!!!
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16-01-2008 12:41 |
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CULTURE BOY
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16-01-2008 14:37 |
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Tomos
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Which is why i don't vote. |
What?! 
That's a shame cos this site needs top producers like yourself mate to vote.
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16-01-2008 18:48 |
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cynik
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Need to make the results public |
second that but an undesired effect may emerge - people could start giving eachother low votes out of revenge..
review later
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16-01-2008 18:58 |
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Tomos
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Reviewing as I listen...
Atmospheric start - got a nice melody in there too. Nice touch! Very eerie, love it. Could do with some sub bass in there I reckon.
I'm liking the way the beats are filtering in - excellent. The snare is a little high pitched for my taste, but that's just personal pref. The kick is a bit lacking too, needs a touch more oophm.
First breakdown - good fx again but too long winded. I'd like to hear those beats drop a bit sooner.
That melody with the bass and guitar lick is sweeet. Yeah, that kick is definitely needing more beef.
Bass melody is good but needs to be tighter. Bit flabby at the mo. Wouldn't take much to put that right.
Not so keen on the second guitar lick. Still good but doesn't flow as well as the other.
I can hear quite a few SFX being repeat through the track - try to do something different with them as the track progresses. Little touches like that definately help.
The track needs a more prominent bassline I reckon. There's tonnes or atmospheric vibes in there but it's just lacking a bit of direction. But hey, this is another cool track from you. I liked it, no question about that.
Like the others are saying, don't get too bummed about the scoring on here. It's not worth it. Votes are overated man (see what I did there 
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16-01-2008 19:06 |
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CLARKFADER
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Which is why i don't vote. |
What?!
That's a shame cos this site needs top producers like yourself mate to vote. |
Well i just don't like the voting all that much, i think some people are a bit biased to producers they like or similarly to producers they don't like.
Also is a tune has a bad rating some people seem to skim right over it sometimes and not give it a chance.
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Need to make the results public |
second that but an undesired effect may emerge - people could start giving eachother low votes out of revenge..
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Maybe but if it was public and someone gave a song a shit rating just out of revenge/spite you'd know who it was and that person could get banned. We dont need those sort of people on here ruining what is a great forum
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no , i completely agree !!!!!!!
this is sort of what i was trying to say in my first message , at lest with a better rating system , were we would know how people rated our stuff !! one , we`lled know more of what we needed to improve on , and two , we would be able to find out if people r being spitfull , cause thats what i was trying to say as well , i just found it rather odd that my ratings were quite reasonable and then they slumped to a rather dismal score , espeicaly when i had good reviews , other producers did point out on other tracks that i had done , that they thought i`lld have more of a better rating , and that they had scored alot more than was shown !!!!!!!!!
the thing is as well , i was getting more ratings than reviews , that could mean some people r playing funny buggers !!!!!!!!! 4 a tune to go from a 55- 65% rating and then go down to a 35% rating , someting must be wrong , espeicaly if it is just 1 or 2 extra , if you think about the way the rating system works !!! it must of bin rated realy low , 4 it to go down like that , i mean , what r they listening to , its a huge difference of opinion !!!!!!!!
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17-01-2008 13:17 |
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i see your point, people love the cheesy jump up stuff and sing along alot now adays thats the way it is, blame the clubs and djs 4 that 1. hope u keep uploading this site needs people like yourself.
i like the intro and break mayb it takes abit to long to kickin. like u say this track is old school i like that if u can make a simple track and b good at it then thats a good thing in itself, proguesses well, love the git sound. sounds nice, i like it.
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17-01-2008 13:52 |
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Seven Gun
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i still believe the votes are a pretty sound reflection on the whole.
very generalized but not far off the mark.
the seperate voting scores should clear the grey area a bit more when that comes around.
say like.... if you release a tune.. it will get voted and reviewed in magazines and such...
even professional long term producers get low scores for releases.
the worst thing you can do as a producer is look at your own material with rose tinted glasses. i
ts a bad habit and its massivly slows down your development.
i am THE most critical of my own material than anyone else is.
anyway.. that said.....
the tune is ok.... i love this style personally. the excecution lacks something on this track tho.
its a bit long-winded and dosnt grab my attention like it should
i like the intro but its way too long.
your drum edits are cool. the ideas are very good.
the bass is great but its far too muffled.
the mixdown is a major issue tho. i think thats where the most influence on scores comes from on this site.
if you listen to the music page and search 'by rating'... compare your stuff to the first two pages on there to get some perspective.
if the scores bother you that much.. you should mostly ignore them.
keep it up tho... this site will only push you to make better music in the end
and thats all that matters really.
big ups original junglist. 
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17-01-2008 15:53 |
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CLARKFADER
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
i still believe the votes are a pretty sound reflection on the whole.
very generalized but not far off the mark.
the seperate voting scores should clear the grey area a bit more when that comes around.
say like.... if you release a tune.. it will get voted and reviewed in magazines and such...
even professional long term producers get low scores for releases.
the worst thing you can do as a producer is look at your own material with rose tinted glasses. i
ts a bad habit and its massivly slows down your development.
i am THE most critical of my own material than anyone else is.
anyway.. that said.....
the tune is ok.... i love this style personally. the excecution lacks something on this track tho.
its a bit long-winded and dosnt grab my attention like it should
i like the intro but its way too long.
your drum edits are cool. the ideas are very good.
the bass is great but its far too muffled.
the mixdown is a major issue tho. i think thats where the most influence on scores comes from on this site.
if you listen to the music page and search 'by rating'... compare your stuff to the first two pages on there to get some perspective.
if the scores bother you that much.. you should mostly ignore them.
keep it up tho... this site will only push you to make better music in the end
and thats all that matters really.
big ups original junglist.
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hey , can i just say something to that , cause this is what really got me one time , is that there was a tune posted about a month ago , called "overly simulated" , which lets be fair , it was a big pile of rubbish , nothing ot it , it was all over the place , no structure , no nothing , and that got 31% !!!!!
how can u say that a tune that i done called "level one" which was first at 55-65% and then when down to 35% , "a sound reflection on the track i made" , it was only 4% extra than that tune "overly simulated , dosent make sence to me !!!!!!!!!!
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