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the future of dnb

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Maybe something to think about during this period of the year: I was wondering where dnb is going..

I've been following the underground scene from 1992 on (prodigy's second album opened my ears to dnb); it's had it's ups and downs. I wanna know where you guys think it will end/continue.

Happy 2k4 to all !!

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by 2027: 31-12-2003 00:58.

31-12-2003 00:58

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My personall oppinion? Well, here it is:

Drum n Bass is music that is newly formed, and which the main spice is the rhytm. Fast and furious rhytm is the key of DnB. Now, people nowadays enjoy in fast rhytms, and DnB is like a cream on the cake, if you know what I mean.

But, I'm noticing some things which I don't want to see in this music. That is - comercialisation. The cruel fingers of Capitalism are making their way to our music, that is DnB. And, when DnB will become (at least) half-commercialised, it will be PIECE OF SHIT!

You don't believe me? Look at rap and Hip-Hop groups. That which once was underground has became the worst music on the earth. Don't get me wrong, I like rap and Hip-Hop, but commercial hyper-producing takes it s toll.

LOW-QUALITY tunes, with little or no ideas of advancing - just the same. That is the Rap and the Hip-Hop today! I get a stomach-ache when I see a rap song on television today, cause it looks so artificial, so pretending to "be something", rather than just being that "something".

Commercialisation is the worst thing that happen on any music. Commercialisation is: paying the artists to make songs. While this might look to you ok, you can address to another phenomena - the artists' quality of producing drops down when they take money (here I mean on real money, not just 150-200 $ for album as most DnB producers take now). WHY?

Well, here is the logical line:
(let's make a little story, blablabla...)

And there was the euro-trance producer (say, Paul Van Dyk). And he made a tune.. two... maybe 50, ok... He didn't have a place where to put his tunes so that people can listen them and evaluate...

One day across him came a man (say, a "public music consultant") which claimed that he got info'z about Van Dyk's work, and that he'd like to hear something from his works. Van Dyk sees the opportunity, and, of course, he agrees to that. He knows that this man has the potential of bringing him "to life", that is, his music to other "hungry crowds" for music.

This man, the consultant, likes his work, and says to him that they'll make an agreement.. He will be payed 15$ of every sold CD (or say 45$ of vinyl) and if he continues to work, he'll get even bigger cash in his pocket.

Now, the capitalistic syndrome takes it place: Van Dyk has shiny eyes because he sees that he can get money from this! He, as the time passes, forgets that he makes music for HIMSELF rather than for the others. He's blinded by the money so much, that he makes music just for money... and some fun (like, look what I can sell - the biggest crap, my worst tune, etc...).This results in quality loss, cause the musicis no longer of big importance for him - now the money are in question, not the people.

That is what happened to Hip-Hop, Rap, some trance stuff, and what's worst - to Roni Size! Man, that man is commercial guy!

I heard some tunes from his early producing, and today's tunes don't have any chance against those!!

That's my only fear, and I see that it is fulfilled! I'm very sorrowed about this.

Anyone has replies? :-)

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31-12-2003 01:27

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myah maybe... but the underground will allways be there! new fresh stuff will always erupt from there.. and imo dnb has a lot of soldiers (yeah! haha lol) following the underground..

and something i always said: dnb is just too weird to appeal to the large (mainstream) crowds, in contrast to trance, hiphop, hardcore (back in the days)...

It'll have to become a hype (like 5 years ago with gabber - oh the comparison again..) before it goes mainstream.. (and oh god don't let that ruin our musicgenre Evil

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music wise: the wicked breakz are back Cool

toghether with killer basslines that go beyong anytging i've ever heard, can't go wrong! and i see new producers pushing the originality forward, and the 'old' ones able to keep up with it!

ow yea, and i hear more and more tunes with movie samples to them Big Grin

LOVE IT!

hey i'm not nostradamus, just my thoughts lol Big Grin

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31-12-2003 09:34

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I asked my question because I think all the things mentioned above are already going on. You may hate me for the following words(opinion):
the mainstream (uninspired tracks made out of nothing else but noize) has already left marks in the 'underground'. There are loads of dubs and whites that I look very forward to see released, but there is at least a same amount of noisy clownstep crap.
Back in 1998 (just an example), almost every release had it's own 'spirit', every release was 'something new'. Now I hear a lot of same shit over and over again.
Yes, it can be me getting old, but I just think of it that way. It's reality in my eyes.

Too bad for me.

31-12-2003 09:46

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the tunes i heard nowadays are quite original mostly imo... but i'm n dj, just know the tunes from mixsets and i'netradio... that might explain some..

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31-12-2003 09:53

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about what muaddib said:
yes most hip hop they play on the radio is crap,but it's not all like that
if you search well you'll find names like buc fifty,talib kweli,hi-tek,swollen members,phi-life cypher,the planets,...
i like to listen to killa kela not because what he does but the way he does it,but i don't think all "eminem fans" know most of these mc's
if dnb goes mainsteam as far as hip hop is,i think people like kryptic minds,leon switch,dj uno,m.a.t.t.,optimus prime,special branch,UFO!,... will be for dnb what buc fifty and so on are for hip hop,it'll never become completly mainstream,but there has to be a balance though

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31-12-2003 11:57

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Originally posted by Pablex
about what muaddib said:
yes most hip hop they play on the radio is crap,but it's not all like that
if you search well you'll find names like buc fifty,talib kweli,hi-tek,swollen members,phi-life cypher,the planets,...
i like to listen to killa kela not because what he does but the way he does it,but i don't think all "eminem fans" know most of these mc's
if dnb goes mainsteam as far as hip hop is,i think people like kryptic minds,leon switch,dj uno,m.a.t.t.,optimus prime,special branch,UFO!,... will be for dnb what buc fifty and so on are for hip hop,it'll never become completly mainstream,but there has to be a balance though

Well .... yeah, its getting comercialised .... but look underground for the quality shit .... fu*k the corporate whores that think they should sell out to make a quick buck!

They are bad for the scene .... but mainly they are bad for the music itself, because of these people good producers will always stay underground and have to struggle to get their tracks heard / released.

I say..... listen to the new wave .... forget the overrated playaz that have all had their imput to get the scene where it is .... but know its time for the new generation .... US !

So go out there in 2004 and keep supporting .... but support what you like ... and things will be looking brighter for the future!

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01-01-2004 14:39

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there will always be clever producers using dnb tricks in mainstream songs... I mean, making a song with a breakbeat doesn't make it dnb... I last heard a boysband dude or something with simple spanish sounding guitars and a breakbeat. I mean, it's modern, it will sell, but it's not dancefloor dnb... I don't think that will spoil drumnbass or something... it will just make more people open to a new genre like dnb... look what kosheen did with ' hide you ' ... BOOM! sold immediately more records than all roni size's records. that doesn't mean that many people will like the real underground and not so listenable hard dancefloor dnb...

keeping popmusic without dnb elements is impossible... Roll Eyes

live with it...

the only plague I see is CLONING MUSIC! Foei

I mean, stealing ideas... stealing sound... Evil

every country has it's britney, his eminem, or other clones... well, that's commercial... NOT EVEN THINKING OF MAKING SOMETHING NEW ! BAHG!
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01-01-2004 16:31

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quote:

Originally posted by stino
there will always be clever producers using dnb tricks in mainstream songs... I mean, making a song with a breakbeat doesn't make it dnb... I last heard a boysband dude or something with simple spanish sounding guitars and a breakbeat. I mean, it's modern, it will sell, but it's not dancefloor dnb... I don't think that will spoil drumnbass or something... it will just make more people open to a new genre like dnb... look what kosheen did with ' hide you ' ... BOOM! sold immediately more records than all roni size's records. that doesn't mean that many people will like the real underground and not so listenable hard dancefloor dnb...

keeping popmusic without dnb elements is impossible... Roll Eyes

live with it...

the only plague I see is CLONING MUSIC! Foei

I mean, stealing ideas... stealing sound... Evil

every country has it's britney, his eminem, or other clones... well, that's commercial... NOT EVEN THINKING OF MAKING SOMETHING NEW ! BAHG!
Puke

I think you are missing the point! Frown

I mean do you think ... Shake ur Body by Shy FX was comercial??
Or perhaps Capoira or Barcelona ... Cry

If you don't, then perhaps you should check ur head ......

01-01-2004 16:36

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quote:

Originally posted by darkskies
So go out there in 2004 and keep supporting .... but support what you like ... and things will be looking brighter for the future!

Smile

i think that's what we're all doing allready Pleased

i think the main "problem" was dnb getting commercialised and that's an "outsiders" thing

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01-01-2004 17:10

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I would have said the same thing but with other artists :p
swollen members gonna make y'all stop Big Grin

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01-01-2004 23:33

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I don't know what's going to happen. I expected the big breakthu for DnB was going to be early on yesteryear, but luckely it didn't happen. Hope it never will, altho you'll always heve your Shy FXez and Kosheenz Frown

Fuck them, never liked them, never will.
Essentially DnB is either dark or hard, and fast, things that don't fit in mainstream, so by making DnB mainstream, you have to remove the main core of the genre, making it dull... So maybe the big breakthru is never coming, let's hope so anyway!

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02-01-2004 14:36

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I'll take the future as it will come!!!!!

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02-01-2004 20:58

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quote:

Originally posted by groeveij
swollen members gonna make y'all stop Big Grin

what do you mean? Confused

02-01-2004 21:28

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quote:

Originally posted by Pablex

quote:

Originally posted by groeveij
swollen members gonna make y'all stop Big Grin

what do you mean? Confused

hmm man you better check out swollen members - fuel injected!
sorry for the offtopicness really like the discussion but don't have any complementary points of view to add so carry on Wink

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03-01-2004 01:35

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in my opinon, the mainstream music business sucks--it's not even really music...i've always been loyal to the underground, cuz that's where the real shit is and always will be, cuz of the fact that the music is done outta love, not financial profit...i don't know how it is in europe, but here in america, watered-down, 'wannabe' drum n bass is slowly starting to make its way into advertising and tv commercials, but its' not real dnb, and it pisses me off cuz now you've got a bunch of people who hear that and think they know about dnb...and when those same people hear real dnb, they don't understand it at all or complain that its' too dark, fast, or heavy...one direction that some dnb is taking nowadays that i don't really care for at all is that 'trance n bass' stuff...(but that's mainly cuz i don't like trance)---i'd personally like to see the metal influence be explored more (you know what i mean, tunes like Concord Dawn's Raining Blood) cuz i've always been into metal, and have always seen similarities between dnb and metal... but the bottom line is the music---as long as it's well-produced and well-written, that's the most important thing...i don't care if it's a tune from one of the big names or an up-and-comer like all of us here, if the tune kicks ass, it kicks ass...i guess all we can really do is just to keep on making our tunes, doing it from the heart and supporting other underground artists doing the same, cuz the mainstream can't survive without the underground, and as long as we're all being true to ourselves, that's all that really matters....

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03-01-2004 08:58

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About the trance 'n' bass:

I like the idea if executed well. That is like in There 4 U: some trance influences: but keep the DnB spirit (dark basses n shit) in there. Some REALLY good tracks there.
But you 've also got the speeded up trancetrack with a DnB beat... not good!

So depends on the usage of the influences...

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03-01-2004 11:39

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watch out for the ragga jungle revival.
2004 will see many N.American producers
droppin' jungle bombs on the rest of the world

before any of you d'n'b purists start saying
that sh*t is old and tired already been done.
give these new trax a chance, some nice studied
productions from many junglists with more than
just reggae's influence - breakscore,idm,gabber

just check out the downloads section of ragga-jungle.com
'nuff brilliance up in tha place

Respect all massive

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03-01-2004 20:30

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quote:

Originally posted by Surya
About the trance 'n' bass:

I like the idea if executed well. That is like in There 4 U: some trance influences: but keep the DnB spirit (dark basses n shit) in there. Some REALLY good tracks there.
But you 've also got the speeded up trancetrack with a DnB beat... not good!

So depends on the usage of the influences...

You sure changed your opinion then Big Grin

You used to shiver at the slightest trance influence Tongue