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ok so the latest loopp[ that ive upped people are saying that the beats are running slow yet the bpm is set 175
the beats that i upped i was running for the begging of the track ie intro to set the track
i want it to be steppa likke it already is but on the second drop i want it to pick up a bit more pace
so any advice on making it sound a little faster would be good as its doing my head in
i still want the beats to be steppy but i just want that bit more quickness to them so would adding another kick at the beging make it up the speed or not ?
plz help me as this will be my first full tune ive managed to complete
ta
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27-09-2007 16:00 |
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this might sound silly, but myabe you could add a couple of beats per minute.
get the bpm to 180 at a certain point where you want it to go a little bit faster. this can sound strange but i think i already hear a track where it has been done. (if I'm correct the name of the tune is "rocket launcher" by "Accidental Heroes")
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27-09-2007 16:18 |
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Seven Gun
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nah....
i disagree with changing the bpm mid-tune.
i hate to mix tunes like that when i DJ.
the best way to speed up your break is to add a new hihat line.
also adding a kick works well too.
like in muad-dib's vocal......
"kick---snare---kick-kick---snare" 
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27-09-2007 16:41 |
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Seven Gun
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oh yeah, i forgot....
ghost snares really help too.
make sure they dont dominate the break tho.
turn the velocity down so they are "ghosts"
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27-09-2007 16:55 |
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collective
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yeah i was thinkin i might put a klang break in to give it that more punch and grove to it so it moves the break around too
will have a go an post what i got later
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did you know that some men go out with men not as freinds!!! huummm thats a bit odd aint it!!!!!!
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27-09-2007 17:20 |
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
"kick---snare---kick-kick---snare"
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a true dnb.be classic i must add
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27-09-2007 18:51 |
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Seven Gun
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Originally posted by baz
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
"kick---snare---kick-kick---snare"
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a true dnb.be classic i must add
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YEAH...CLASSIC.
@muad.......why not make some more.
this time with full sentences and paragraphs?
should be fun too
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27-09-2007 19:13 |
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
ghost snares really help too.
make sure they dont dominate the break tho.
turn the velocity down so they are "ghosts" |
Ghosts are essential to get a break sounding faster. Limewax drops ghosts just about anywhere, and it works great. Also, step away from 2-step beats to get a faster feel!
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27-09-2007 19:49 |
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BattleDrone
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
muad-dib's vocal......
"kick---snare---kick-kick---snare"
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Fucking classic... second most important sample in the history dnb, next to the amen break
To get a more "bussy" and thus faster drum section. Load a break into a slicer, throw out the kicks and the main snares. Replace by hihat/percussion/ghost hits you find elsewhere in the break, experiment a bit with it so you get a ghost only break which feels natural. Highpass this break so it does not collide with the rest of the drums (above 200 to 250 Hz to taste, depends on the break really). Play this break underneath your normal kick---snare---kick-kick---snare stuff and add a hihat line (rides often give a good result). Don't play the hihat like HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH but leave some gaps to get a funkier result, experiment with it, might take time.
This does not work with every break, you might need to look for a break with good ghost hits and clear percussion. The amen is the standard choice, but it's been done so often... it's great for learning though.
It took me ages to learn to create breaks that are rolling well, I still have the feeling that I am improving with each try. After a while you'll get the hang of it or you know when you are fighting for a lost cause and throw the shit away 
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27-09-2007 22:56 |
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collective
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sweet will have a look at that might get hold of battery then as i aint using nothing to chop my breaks in at the mo s
cheers for the input pipes
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did you know that some men go out with men not as freinds!!! huummm thats a bit odd aint it!!!!!!
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27-09-2007 23:28 |
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sweet will have a look at that might get hold of battery then as i aint using nothing to chop my breaks in at the mo s
cheers for the input pipes |
Can I suggest Zero x Beat Creator for the beat choppin duties. Anyone else use it? I think its wicked
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28-09-2007 09:46 |
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Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
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Originally posted by baz
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
"kick---snare---kick-kick---snare"
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a true dnb.be classic i must add
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YEAH...CLASSIC.
@muad.......why not make some more.
this time with full sentences and paragraphs?
should be fun too
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I might, to be frank.
No decend mic in the house right now, but in a week or so...
hahah, that will be good.
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28-09-2007 11:26 |
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no shame in making a tune even 195 BPM. also another way to make some parts seems fater is to make the beat half time before, usually that's the bpm of Hip-Hop, then it goes into solid drum n bass.
contrast always help to make things faster and louder.
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29-09-2007 15:20 |
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30-09-2007 00:06 |
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Halph-Price
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no shame in making a tune even 195 BPM. also another way to make some parts seems fater is to make the beat half time before, usually that's the bpm of Hip-Hop, then it goes into solid drum n bass.
contrast always help to make things faster and louder. |
you dont want your bpm to be too fast or the music loses
its respectability and can become laughable.
195 is borderline but i suppose it would be ok, just! imo.
any more and i would press the stop button instantly.
like said before....
its all about the extra hihat lines and ghost kicks and snares
to speed a break up. |
too fast? you sound like my fucking father. drum and bass is too fast.
but yea, there's also groove, if you make hits go BEFORE the beat, it amkes it seem more energetic and faster. where as regge hip-hop you get that laid back sound from hitting a bit AFTER the beat.
but yea, you're an old grandpa if you think 195 is slow. some music genere 200 is MINIMUM. 1000bpm is do able for music man. it's people liek you YOU that make DnB borin, there aint nothing you can't take a chainsaw too.
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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by Halph-Price: 30-09-2007 04:20.
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30-09-2007 04:16 |
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Seven Gun
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
but yea, you're an old grandpa if you think 195 is slow. some music genere 200 is MINIMUM. 1000bpm is do able for music man. |
for an "apparantly" smart guy.....
god you make yourself look foolish sometimes!!! 
some music genre is 200 minimum...........yeah....thats not dnb is it
though, thats other music....and we aint talking bout that.
i'm not against other super fast musics, just not in dnb.
i believe in the say.....160 to 200 bpm.
(there is obviously small room for manouver above or below that)
anything way above calling itself dnb is wrong to do so.....
it becomes another entitiy altogether then.
its like....imagine we are talking about slower bpms.....say....140/50...
people would hear the track and think
"ah, thats breaks or grime or dubstep or something", not drum and bass, so the same is true for the super high bpms.
i think using speed as the experiment, is THE most boring and unimaginative way of experimenting and taking a chainsaw to something.
and on the chainsaw matter...why would we want to completely change something that we all like?!?!?!
there are infinite things to experiment with in dnb music without going
300 bpm madness.
obviously from your standpoint and from your music....you like your beats faster in dnb...and thats fine....but there are limits like i said before it becomes non-dnb then.
we dont want a chipmunks (alvin, simon...theodore) sound or a machine gun firing sound as dnb. that sounds boring to me.
i can just see it now......a bunch of skinheads in a room with a strobe,
doing the pogo to this machine gun dnb, fucked on ketamine, ecstacy and crystal meth!! OH THE HORROR! 
BEWARE PEOPLE......FASTER IS NOT INNOVATIVE.....
the music has been getting faster and faster since i got into it and its no new thing for some younger heads to make it faster and say
"wow i'm been controversial and imaginative".
my 2 billion cents anyway.
@BD.....could you split off this thread since it was hijaked because i think it raise some intersting issues worthy of debate.
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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Seven Gun: 30-09-2007 13:21.
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