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BattleDrone 
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I listened to this track from Break (the artist) and felt like a complete loser (even more than normally 
) the sound quality of this track is so fucking perfect.
Anyone got any ideas what this guy puts on his master EQ? Can this be done with a normal home DAW?
The whole track has this shiny clean utrawide slightly revervbish sound without anything getting messed up... Sounds like every sound is in it's own lane (like in the school's pool) and can't mess with the other sounds.
Also notice that the lead bass (there from the beginning) and the lower bass(kicks in a bit later) share quite some frequencies and they don't collide at all. Did he use sidechaining to get that low bass pushing in on the main one?
Damn nice production. Anyone know anything else I can do to improve my sound quality besides asking you guys?
The track is called "No Company", on the AA-Side of this track is also damn sweet, it's called "The Uprising" and can be found here
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13-09-2007 15:30 |
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Seven Gun
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i dunno...it dont sound THAT great 
dont get me wrong...its very good and obviously pro.
hmmm... i'll get back to ya.
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13-09-2007 15:47 |
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Halph-Price
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probably not
the bass kick is above the bass
sounds more like the bass is notched between the deep sub and the upper mids. it's not that hard to notch your basslines where the kick booms in, and clear out the bottem end of the kick to give room for deep sub. but all the other inst don't have any bottem end at all, this is a great way to have a clean mix. he probably uses a send reverb so it all sounds like it's in the same rooma dn you can give more verb to certin tracks and elss to others without meshing the whole track as if you put reverb on the master track only.
i am glad you asked aboutt he eq. interestingly enough
you can notice most of the sub is removed below 40hz, but at 40-50hz it's boost more then the every other freq. the top end tapers off becaus eof mp3 quality.
interestingly, 3k is the highest point on this graph, because most pads and ambeiance you want to have come out at that point usually. it's the spot where human breath comes out fo speech. 5k is where you get the hard constants, and usually it's quite harsh, but 3k is still bright, but not to the point of aggrivation.
personally, for pads and atmosh, i would boost 3k by removing 1k and 5k freq. and by the sounds of it, he complete removed everything below 1k on everything that wasn't bass.
seems like there's a pad below 3k and one aboe it that's a bit tihner but much brighter. it's quite a breathy track. but boring. anyways, not my taste in track, but good, clear production.
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13-09-2007 15:59 |
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BattleDrone
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Originally posted by Seven Gun
i dunno...it dont sound THAT great
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It sounds just great (productionwise) to me. Atleast the difference in sound quality towards my own shit is so huge that I dare to call this track great.
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
it's quite a breathy track. but boring. anyways, not my taste in track, but good, clear production. |
My point exactly.
So you think that...
- boosting padz at 3k (or lowering 1k and 5k on them)
- Cutting <1K on all non bass (except kick&Snare drums I guess)
- Cutting back sub <40Hz
- Boosting sub @40Hz
- Sidechaining sub to kick
- Cutting subend from kick
...helps to give it this clean sound.
The reverb thing confuses me a little. Does he use 1 send to reverb all or does he use different sends for that?
How does he get this little stereo effect without delaying either left or right (you know these lame stereo images were you get the feeling your ears are cheating on you). Is that done by using (a) send channel/s as well?
Thanks for feedback so far guys.
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13-09-2007 16:32 |
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Seven Gun
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I JUST START BY TAKING ALL (OR SOME) BOTTOM OUT OF TOP END SOUNDS AND ALL (OR SOME) TOP OUT OF BOTTOM END SOUNDS.
BUT.....
SAMPLE CHOICE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IMPORTANT!
IF YOU THINK A SAMPLE SOUNDS GOOD DONT MESS WITH IT.
GOOD QUALITY SAMPLES ARE THE WAY FORWARD PEEPS!
THAT GIVES YOU A MASSIVE HEAD START ALREADY.
dont look into the caps
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13-09-2007 17:02 |
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have to agree with yah drone..ive heard a few of breaks tracks recently and he has got an ultra clean sound..7g is right sample choice has a lot to do with it..and also i reckon break uses sidechaining so his bass notes dont bottom out if they clash..you can also get this by re sampleling and sidechaining,i used it on one of my tracks on here a while a go called take a look ..cause i used two notes that clashed and bottomed but resamplin and side chaining worked a treat..hope this helped 
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13-09-2007 23:11 |
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cynik
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nah dont like that surgically clean sound. nerdy neurofunk
think typecell. the snare isnt that great tho, more of a clap
dont get me wrong, its a good track and has good production mostly
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14-09-2007 00:52 |
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BattleDrone
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You might be right about the surgically clean sound but making things more dirty is easy. Making it clean is difficult, so I reckon if I can make it clean I can everything.
The point wich is still unclear to me is the master EQ, the stereofield sounds so yummy and the track has this overall creamy feel (highend got just that notch extra). I guess it was mastered by a pro. A home studio wank like me can only dream of such a sound 
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14-09-2007 10:05 |
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
You might be right about the surgically clean sound but making things more dirty is easy. Making it clean is difficult, so I reckon if I can make it clean I can everything.
The point wich is still unclear to me is the master EQ, the stereofield sounds so yummy and the track has this overall creamy feel (highend got just that notch extra). I guess it was mastered by a pro. A home studio wank like me can only dream of such a sound
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lol; no way. the pre mastered version is where the quality is at, as been said, can't polish a turd. ofcourse, a master engineer can only enhance whats been done right in the first place making the sound for that notch up more "pro"
not at all agreeing on the "making dirty is easy" remark. IMHO making something dirty but punchy is more of a challenge because you can twist the rules only for so much to not sound cack.
in fact it's the deviation of the "standards" that makes for quality sound IMHO
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14-09-2007 10:36 |
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BattleDrone
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not at all agreeing on the "making dirty is easy" remark. IMHO making something dirty but punchy is more of a challenge because you can twist the rules only for so much to not sound cack.
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I understand, but what I mean is, to get a really clean production is a good starting point. Once you manage that you can make a clean production with dirty sounds too.
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14-09-2007 13:11 |
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
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not at all agreeing on the "making dirty is easy" remark. IMHO making something dirty but punchy is more of a challenge because you can twist the rules only for so much to not sound cack.
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I understand, but what I mean is, to get a really clean production is a good starting point. Once you manage that you can make a clean production with dirty sounds too. |
i think you'd rather make a dirty production with clean samples than vice versa 
it's just as live recording, if the source doesn't sound good, no compressor or filter is gonna make it better
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14-09-2007 15:51 |
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BattleDrone
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ok, I did not express myself very well there 
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I meant: once you manage a clean production you are ready to go to the next level, making things sound dirty but still have a clean production.
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14-09-2007 23:51 |
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Seven Gun
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battledrone you fkkkin idiot!!! 
just kidding bredrin
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14-09-2007 23:56 |
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
So you think that...
- boosting padz at 3k (or lowering 1k and 5k on them)
- Cutting <1K on all non bass (except kick&Snare drums I guess)
- Cutting back sub <40Hz
- Boosting sub @40Hz
- Sidechaining sub to kick
- Cutting subend from kick
...helps to give it this clean sound.
The reverb thing confuses me a little. Does he use 1 send to reverb all or does he use different sends for that?
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1. boosting pads
2. cutting 1k is what it sounds like, but usually you cut at least from 200hz, but increase it the more you cna get away with without ti sounding bad. for a really thin sound cutting all the bottem mid below the 1khz point usually is what makes it. like for speakers or old radio sounds. it's mostly just 1k that you hear, and not even much above that, usually around 5k for pronounciation of vocals....
i wouldn't say the kick was sidechained either, that's usually not done, but it canb e.
it sounds more like the kick is way above the sub . the kikc deepest comes in around 100hz, maybe 120hz. the sub is 40hz. if you reduce teh bassline at the point hte kick comes in, (i.e. boost 120hz on the kick and reduce the bass a bit at 120hz and a little above.)
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15-09-2007 08:24 |
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BattleDrone
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If I sidechain the bass to the kick I'm always on the safe side I thought
So why shouldn't I do it that way, still kan boost/cut the kick/bass at 120Hz then.
I also sidechained the EQ slider for 120Hz for the Bass EQ channel to the kick and let it duck to 25% when the kick comes in. Works fine. You never get the feeling the bass gets destroyed by the kick or anything.
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15-09-2007 12:32 |
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battledrone you fkkkin idiot!!!
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I can accept that from a girl
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15-09-2007 12:33 |
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Halph-Price
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just buy a mix engineer to do this for you.
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15-09-2007 14:02 |
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cynik
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
If I sidechain the bass to the kick I'm always on the safe side I thought
So why shouldn't I do it that way, still kan boost/cut the kick/bass at 120Hz then. |
ok. what would you do if suddenly it dropped on you want to have the kick the bass and the sub at the same time (noisia - subdue) ?
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