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i kinda know what you mean
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09-07-2007 23:35 |
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Muad'Dib
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Whether you like something or you don't is maximum subjective, which can't be said for quality of craftsmanship. You may not like AK74 rifle, but you must recognize the quality of production.
The point is - you can't judge style or type, you can judge the effort and the knowledge. 
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10-07-2007 03:40 |
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demolitionkid
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
The point is - you can't judge style or type, you can judge the effort and the knowledge.
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well for instance if im listening to a track and WOW LISTEN TO THOSE DRUMS!!!!!!BUT WAIT????!?!??!?!?!?THE SYNTHS SUCK!!!!!!then what do you do?thats the only real problem with the voting system i see,people shoud not have there synths and drums in the same frickkin question 
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10-07-2007 06:57 |
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This site is supposed to tell you how good the track you made is, you can tell them how much you like it in the comments.
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10-07-2007 07:21 |
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Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by demolitionkid
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
The point is - you can't judge style or type, you can judge the effort and the knowledge.
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well for instance if im listening to a track and WOW LISTEN TO THOSE DRUMS!!!!!!BUT WAIT????!?!??!?!?!?THE SYNTHS SUCK!!!!!!then what do you do?thats the only real problem with the voting system i see,people shoud not have there synths and drums in the same frickkin question
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I guess you're right for that.
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10-07-2007 11:40 |
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Tomos
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Whether you like something or you don't is maximum subjective, which can't be said for quality of craftsmanship. You may not like AK74 rifle, but you must recognize the quality of production.
The point is - you can't judge style or type, you can judge the effort and the knowledge.
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I see what you're saying but I actually take the other view - it's the subjective viewpoints which have more value. You can't really take a viewpoint on production quality - it's either good or it isn't. For instance, no one can argue that Britney Spears's music is produced badly. From a production point of view, it's near pefection. Which is why asking questions about production quality isn't actually that helpful because there isn't much room for a personal opinion. Stunningly well-produced tracks can be stunningly awful to listen to.
The point I'm trying to make is simply that the voting system should be geared more towards answering the question, "Do the listeners actually like the track?". Yes, it's subjective but then again, music is subjective. We listen to music because we like it, we buy music (well, sometimes!) because we like it. It's the driving force behind our love for music and I think the voting system on this website should reflect that.
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10-07-2007 20:27 |
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Originally posted by Tomos
There seems to be over-emphasis on the production side of things. |
from the front page -
Welcome to drumnbass.be!
This site is dedicated to everyone involved in producing drum and bass.
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10-07-2007 21:41 |
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Tomos
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Originally posted by MUNKI
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There seems to be over-emphasis on the production side of things. |
from the front page -
Welcome to drumnbass.be!
This site is dedicated to everyone involved in producing drum and bass. |
I know what it says on the homepage
but I still think the voting should be more geared towards answering the question, "Do the listeners actually like the track", as opposed to questions on levels, frequency, balance, etc.
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11-07-2007 18:27 |
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thechronic
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I don't know how others feel but I'm a little concerned with the voting system on this website. There seems to be over-emphasis on the production side of things. |
There is absolutely no over-emphasis of the production side. The first question asks your subjective opinion, and this counts for 50% of the total value for a standard member vote.
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Very often I find myself having to give high scores to tracks I don't really like because the production quality is very good. Conversly, I have to give lower marks to better tracks because the production quality isn't quite spot-on. Unfortunately, this would give the misleading impression that I actually preferred the track I liked the least! 
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no, because you would have given a lower vote to the first question. The first question has by far the most weight of all the questions. It has the same weight as all the other questions combined.
The voting simple is not the simple calculation you seem to think it is. It is carefully constructed to give the fairest possible representation of all the votes that have been cast for a song. Every question has a specific weight depending on how important that question is for the quality of the track.
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It begs the question; what are the percentages supposed to tell us exactly? |
It's a numerical representation of the amount of stars that is given for a track. People were complaining that they wanted more detail than just 5 stars, so now they can see the raw numbers 
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Surely the voting system should have more emphasis on how much you actually like a track rather than how good the levels are, etc? |
It already has a shitload of emphasis on how much you like the track.
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11-07-2007 21:25 |
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Muad'Dib
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Can you type the percentages of value here, or point them to a place where they can read them, Chron?
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12-07-2007 12:40 |
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Ahhh, I see. I hadn't realised that Chronic! 
Perhaps it should be made clear somewhere because a few people, such as myself, have no idea about this. |
There is a thread about it somewhere. Maybe I can make a new one 'How the voting system works'
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My next question is: can you tell us the weights of each question? |
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One last question: is it possible to be give the percentages/scores for each question? This would let the producer know if people consistently gave bad votes for a particular question, and good scores on others. |
Yes that is possible and is planned for the future. Will be a while though, couple of months probably
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12-07-2007 20:09 |
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12-07-2007 23:18 |
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demolitionkid
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maybe if we could see exactly what they voted for and yada yada it would be better than just a %age game.4/5 stars or 98% doesnt tell us what the random guest thought at that moment.plzzzz separate the DRUMS FROM THE SYNTHS
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20-07-2007 04:55 |
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This site has the best voting methods of any I have seen.
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20-07-2007 07:53 |
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Seven Gun
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Originally posted by demolitionkid
plzzzz separate the DRUMS FROM THE SYNTHS
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AGREED.
that is the best suggestion on voting i have yet heard.
the drums n synths are soooo different.
maybe a vote for quality of bass work is deserved too.
one each for drums n bass
although the voting sytstem here is very good, we always strive for better!
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20-07-2007 15:20 |
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03-08-2007 00:17 |
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thechronic
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it's planned
I only have a few days off this month, will be used mainly for sleeping 
summertime is always difficult for me, I'm away most of the time, sleeping in hotels and driving around belgium and holland.
You know that when I get some free time I tend to whip up new features for the site, just be patient
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03-08-2007 10:36 |
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That'll really give us extra insights into the voting results and indicate 'problem areas' in a track where people generally give poor scores, and good areas where people generally vote higher.