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im quite sure that this has been posted before ( so dont have a go at me) 
but im quite new to making DnB and im finding it hard to get my drums to roll, im not using breaks that have already been made i,m trying to make my own but they seem quite empty..
ive headr of ghost hits but dont full yunderstand how to make them.or even where to add them in the break.
if any one has the patience to explain to me then that would be great.
cheers for any help or advice
i do have a bit of a track ive been trying to do but dont have producesr rites yet so i cant post it for you to hear what ive come up with so far
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i do have a bit of a track ive been trying to do but dont have producesr rites yet so i cant post it for you to hear what ive come up with so far |
do 5 proper reviews then apply for producer rights.
ghost snares can be used nearly anywhere in your break.
just make sure they are quieter than than main snare.
try other instruments like ride bells, bongos.
bit of reverb can help too.
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collective
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both of your bits of advice are good i have taken them both on board thanks alot will try to both of them and will apply for producers rights cheers guys
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28-06-2007 20:54 |
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When i started making tunes i didnt think about using breaks, I was using single hits for atleast a year and a half. I had heard of loops obviously but I thought they were for kids having a laugh making tunes and they wernt for serious producers until a friend showed me how he did his drums... then I knew as soon as i started using them that that was how to get my drums rollin'. They are very necessary i have concluded and since ive gotten used to it i have started recognising them in all my favorite producers tunes.... and learn a bit about the history of dnb and it is built on old breaks really... so keep up the tradition ! lol.
Quantizing is a very important aspect of using breaks also; thought i should say that...
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yeah, using breaks is pretty much a must.
my story mirrors digital cause's.
ya dont have to, but that is what they are there for.
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01-07-2007 15:25 |
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collective
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yeah i have now started to use the breaks as well much better sound and alot more fun
not getting mad now and frustrated so much
cheers for the help dudes
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01-07-2007 16:06 |
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there's a lot more going on with drums then is apparant. layering a nice break with one-hit smaples, or even other drum breaks.
most ever genre of music does this, and it's usually pretty seamless if you compress it or add a bit of reverb. if it sounds empty try layering in a pre-made break, with your samples.
you have the unique sound of the drums, mixed with some breaks that wil give you the energy and fullness you want. most amatures don't do this and there stuff sounds like crap.
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collective
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well yeah my stuff sounds crap but then ive only just started to try make it better
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Halph-Price
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layer a breka in teh background and one hits infront. layer the one hits too, the more snares the better. only need 2 kicks, one for deep umf, one for attack. compress them seperatly.
you can distort the break a bit to give a overall crunchy sound even though the on hits keep it sharp.
the ghost snares you can find in drum breaks when drummers do the inbetween hits, the off-beat hits, you can chop it up and play aroun with their position. just one or two hits will do.
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hmm..
I allways build my breaks from scratch offcoz except those tracks where i use the standard (amen,apache..) itz really hard to make smoothly sound break from the scratch but anyway in the way how i doing it i set my beat sequencer fly 2 times faster then track which gives me place between the main kick and snare hits ,where i can fit some extra elements as a gost snares or bongos or whatever it sounds nice.
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Originally posted by Jimmy C
i love how loads of new producers always say "i'm not using any already made breaks"
and full marks to you that it is quite an undertaking but to make drums from single hits it quite a challenge...
take YOUR fav producers. i bet nearly everyone of them uses breaks. But they layer the fuck out of them to make them original
see as you're new to producing using single hits will be like me trying to run a marathon without any training. Not gonna happen.
try using breaks and layering single hits over the top until you have sweet drums.
then slowly start using less breaks for layers and use more single hits. Then eventually you'll have the skills and knowledge to make your drums fat and rolling without having to use "breaks that have already been made"
Think of using breaks as a means to an end. Use them to help you gain skills and techniques then when you can go it alone, drop them
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02-07-2007 09:52 |
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so wen u have a layered break how do u actually compress it and wat does this process achieve? ive looked at the compresser in reason but it doesnt seem to have any effect. i dnt have a clu wat im doin wiv it tho. i also have logic express.
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05-07-2007 16:50 |
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When compressing you make the loud bits less loud and next you amplify the whole (if you want to) making the overall sound more equal and thus allowing the more silent bits to be heard correctly. If you overdo it the sound will be without any groove or feeling. It will be just plain loud.
There is a lot to learn about Compression really. I haven't found a good tutorial yet. Read as much as you can about it and experiment a lot. My simple explanation could help you to actually hear what it does, once you figured that out you can start to experiment with it.
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I found this about compression the other day, might help a bit:
Punch, apparent loudness, presence... just three of the many terms used to describe the effects of compressing and limiting on an audio signal.
The terms compression and limiting have been in the audio vocabulary for years, yet there is some confusion over their definitions. The confusion arises from the fact that both the compressor and the limiter are devices that restrict the dynamic range of a signal, and the difference between them is one of degree, with the limiter having the most effect. To simply define each:
Compressor: An amplifier, whose gain decreases as its input level is increased.
Limiter: A compressor, whose output level remains constant, regardless of its input level.
As Battledrone said, the best is to experiment, don't be afraid to push the knob at full, with different combination, and you'll have a clear idea of what does what
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Compression basically quietens the parts that are too loud and raises the volume of quiet elements, smoothing out the overall perception of the music. If you put compression on something and can't hear the diiference, don't worry. Turn the compression off and play again and you should notice the difference. Its one of those fx that you notice more when it is missing or used badly. Also, if you mess with extreme compression you can get some nice effects on beats. I've been told that its a part of portishead's sound. But it is NOT a secret way to make things sound good. Bad compression will make your drums sound worse.
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Originally posted by tetsuo
I found this about compression the other day, might help a bit:
Punch, apparent loudness, presence... just three of the many terms used to describe the effects of compressing and limiting on an audio signal.
The terms compression and limiting have been in the audio vocabulary for years, yet there is some confusion over their definitions. The confusion arises from the fact that both the compressor and the limiter are devices that restrict the dynamic range of a signal, and the difference between them is one of degree, with the limiter having the most effect. To simply define each:
Compressor: An amplifier, whose gain decreases as its input level is increased.
Limiter: A compressor, whose output level remains constant, regardless of its input level.
As Battledrone said, the best is to experiment, don't be afraid to push the knob at full, with different combination, and you'll have a clear idea of what does what
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to help define that a bit clearly, i was taught, when a compressors raito is around or over 10:1 it's a limiter.
there are times limiters won't keep the input level regardless, this is why i see that as a flawed. some compressors can be pushed to an extreme that the signal isn't compressed, and reaches a high level then intended, the threshold.
i see you got the defanition from the dirtyrecordst hing, which is a bit weird. it says Dynamics Processor is multi-bands compressors, which i don't know where they got that from. all compressors are dynamic processors. but he must have a mutli-band dynamics that have that name and thought ti was for that unit only. just seems like a very amature understanding of compressors.
forget that stie, and goto the SMART source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression
this has better organization and defanition. and pictures. and addresses everything that one does.
one of the wikipedia sources was music recording wiki, here's their link to compression http://www.wikirecording.org/Compression , also a good one. a bit more relavent for new producers.
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