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someone asked for some hats samples and grooves.

before i go and lay anything thing down would you prefer straight unaltered grooves or breaks that i have edited/effected.

also would anyone like them to available as .rex files as well as .wav.

i am going to lay stuff down on tuesday, so speak quickly.

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If you think it could be of use to other producers it´s more than welcome over here... wav fits all, Rex is more practical. Maybe both would be nice?

Original or edited groove? Well, if there breaks are "new" meaning they are not all over the web it might be nice to have them, otherwise your edits would add a more interesting perspective.

Anyway, don´t let this stop you to share some breaks! Bigup

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.wav is universal. i suggest 44Khz 16-bit PCM wav this is used by all programs and the only disadvantage is the size. but if you .zip them it can halph the size or so.

zip not rar because noobs don't understand the .rar and chronic gets annoyed by the pm's Big Grin so this iw what i would do.

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Rar could be fine too, we could add a short "howto" for people that don´t know rar.

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Unaltered and edited grooves both have their benefits. Do what you think is best Smile

If you have some stuff ready and if it is in WAV format I could put it up on the samples page if you like, that would be great Big Grin

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dry unedited wavs covering various tempos and style would be qwwwwaaallliteeee. and a bunch of one shots at various velocitys would be nice too Big Grin Drummer
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keep the ideas running.

this will take a few week to get together... i am married and have 40+ hours a week job.


what makes .rar difficult? i use it and have no problem. i can use .zip as well.

also... i will try to sort out samples in nnxt, redrum, and .rex format.

the drum kit for this will consist of 3 snare drums, 2 kicks, 4 ride cymbals, and a load of hats and crashes plus a zillion effects cymbals like chinas and splashes.
... just trying to get your ears watering. Big Grin

plus i have some tricks up my sleeve that have made my production easier but you are going to have to wait to find out.

i am going to have to make material available in volumes seeing as a complete acoustic drum kit pack will be quite large and tedious to produce. plus grooves take some time.

is anyone interested in anything over 200 bpm? i rarely hear any hyper beats.

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dry unedited wavs covering various tempos and style would be qwwwwaaallliteeee. and a bunch of one shots at various velocitys would be nice too Big Grin Drummer


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what makes .rar difficult? i use it and have no problem. i can use .zip as well.


Rar isn't any more difficult than zip, it's just that a lot of people with little or no experience on that issue will PM theChronic asking what they should do to get the samples out of the rar-file.

This can be fixed by adding a sticky posting about rar and what to do with it.

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i made beats with no groove at all and people like the "rhthem" in them lol i tihnk chronic said it or something.

the tech stuff made groove obsolete.... it's ahrd ot match stuff together with different grooves... it's best to leave it ungrooved, so it can be made grooved by every program

anytihng an add grooves from reason fruity loops cubase live and the better programs can do it to wav files even...

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29-05-2007 04:27 Homepage of Halph-Price
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i think you are misunderstanding the concept of a groove. when someone refers to the music as having a groove they are refering to the feeling. and groove also refers to the beat and more so how well the beat fits in the song.

computers can groove but humans have better feel and can for some reason known only to God transfer that to another person via performance... sometimes even recording.


hmm... i think i went off the deep end.

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It's easier to remove the groove from a live played loop, than to add a groove to a programmed or quantized loop.

Moving the 'groove' slider is a poor substitute for human feeling Big Grin

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quote:
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keep the ideas running.

this will take a few week to get together... i am married and have 40+ hours a week job.

Take your time mate, it's great that you want to do it Big Grin


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what makes .rar difficult? i use it and have no problem. i can use .zip as well.

The difficulty is simply that you need to install extra software do open rars, and zips work out of the box. Some people are not very computer literate, and are suspicious of any additional software they need to install. All this file format talk is making their head spin, they just want to click on it and open it without any fuss Smile


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also... i will try to sort out samples in nnxt, redrum, and .rex format.

This is actually a very good idea. I could make sections in the samples page to support these formats. I'll put it in my to do list Smile


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the drum kit for this will consist of 3 snare drums, 2 kicks, 4 ride cymbals, and a load of hats and crashes plus a zillion effects cymbals like chinas and splashes.
... just trying to get your ears watering. Big Grin

Ooh one shots, that's awesome and very flexible Bigup


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plus i have some tricks up my sleeve that have made my production easier but you are going to have to wait to find out.

Looking forward to that!!! Happy


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i am going to have to make material available in volumes seeing as a complete acoustic drum kit pack will be quite large and tedious to produce. plus grooves take some time.

Yeah and it is nice to split it in different packs to make it easy to use. If you plan on using one shots you shouldn't have to open the grooves and vice versa.

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Wow, that will be a nice work indeed. But we need you to promise something. You ain't gonna seek any ass-kissing from forum members (though you might receive it anyway, pay-free). Big Grin


















(many people don't quite get this type of humor, so know that I'm kidding, not actually meaning it Wink )

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Wow, that will be a nice work indeed. But we need you to promise something. You ain't gonna seek any ass-kissing from forum members (though you might receive it anyway, pay-free). Big Grin


Lol Big Grin

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quote:
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i think you are misunderstanding the concept of a groove. when someone refers to the music as having a groove they are refering to the feeling. and groove also refers to the beat and more so how well the beat fits in the song.

computers can groove but humans have better feel and can for some reason known only to God transfer that to another person via performance... sometimes even recording.


hmm... i think i went off the deep end.


groove is timing. different timing gives a different feel. computers can take grooves that human do and transplant them.

the feel from timing is this, if the hit is sooner it gives it more energy, if it's later it makes it more laid back. all drummers with add grooves to drums.

now this timing is tiny and you'd tihnk you wouldn't notice it but humans can detect off timing that is mear milloseconds off. you may not notice it but instead just FEEL it, but if you train yourself you can learn to know what it is you FEEL.

now you can just call me a noob, or you can learn. it is not me that has a misunderstanding about what groove is nor how it's done. i have been trained for this. but again you can take or leave my advice, it is free and to you that may seem worthless. where as i paid for it.

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this is getting ridiculous. devise a pack and then we can elaborate on it Bigup

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..i was refering more to the emotional side of things.

today was the slow start of it all serious technical failures were plentiful... murphy's laws... i'll never get used to them. i'm thinking a few more sessions and it all should be tracked.

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oooooooooooooooooooh the emotional side My Mistake i get it now. you went of the deep end. Drummer

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30-05-2007 04:13 Homepage of Halph-Price
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oooooooooooooooooooh the emotional side My Mistake i get it now. you went of the deep end. Drummer


but i understand what you were saying about technology and groove.

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