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Seven Gun 
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could you add an option for a producer to allow
people to download your tune (when uploading a track)?
there are some stuff i would like to have on my playlist, i-pod etc etc.
i'm sure other peeps on here would like an mp3 of some tracks on here too.
would be an excellent addition to the site, even if it would be hard work for ya 
just a thought.
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10-05-2007 12:59 |
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BattleDrone
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Download for €0.99 and we're on the go
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10-05-2007 14:14 |
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thechronic
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When the tracks used to be downloadable I got loads of requests do make em streaming, and now it's the other way round
I think that indeed paid downloads would be the way to go, with the producer being able to set the price, or set it to free download if he wants to. If you like this idea, show your support here
It will be a massive task to set up though, I'm not going to spend days on it if it's not going to be used 
The MP3's are on the server, but I'm not allowing anyone to download them atm, since this is against most producers' wishes.
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10-05-2007 15:42 |
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Seven Gun
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Originally posted by thechronic
I think that indeed paid downloads would be the way to go, with the producer being able to set the price, or set it to free download if he wants to. If you like this idea, show your support here |
deffo up for that one!!!
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10-05-2007 15:47 |
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BattleDrone
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Suggestion:
You could give producers pricelimits and keep a part of the money for the site. Producers should be allowed to not offer their tracks for selling as well ofcourse. Offered tracks in 160kb mp3 or better.
After a week of voting the track can be sold (has to have 3 producer votes first though)...
- Tracks with less than 4 stars: not to be offered for sale (free DL = ok). This to avoid wining customers.
- Tracks with 4 stars: 50 cents
- Tracks with 4 1/2 stars and above: 75 cents
You get x% for hosting the show and for the almost unlimited effort you have put into this site over the years (and to pay the bills, pay for competition prices, ...).
Questions remaining: paying method? Work with another site that offers this allready? How much of the money will they eat? I'm sure there are some mp3 labels out there that could do the whole crap for you, but they want their piece of the cake too.
This is an oportunity to raise the quality level of the productions and attract a group of producers that show no intrest in the site right now. In fact most of them were on here but left because they feel that the site has nothing to offer for them anymore.
Another side effect would be that DnB.be would in fact become a record label through this (if you clear some blabla first).
I think the support from the producers would be massive. Make money if your track is worth it and get more visibility, get played out by DJ's maybe (after all, the tracks are cheap).
Deff. worth a couple of thoughts and willing to help you out on this one if i can do anything.
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10-05-2007 16:28 |
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this would be a good thing, but when there are a lot of top notch producers on here, people will rate their tracks high, and the producers that are good will probably not even come close to 4 stars because people hear the difference between the good and the superb tracks when voting i guess
or am i just talking jibberish again?
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10-05-2007 17:16 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
After a week of voting the track can be sold (has to have 3 producer votes first though)...
- Tracks with less than 4 stars: not to be offered for sale (free DL = ok).
- Tracks with 4 stars: 50 cents
- Tracks with 4 1/2 stars and above: 75 cents
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hmm people would try to mess with the votings to get a higher payout I think
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Offered tracks in 160kb mp3 or better.
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we could put a price limit on the mp3 quality. eg full price only for 256kbps and above. Max 0.10€ for 128kbps
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
This to avoid wining customers.
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No reason to whine if they can listen to the full track in the streaming flash player in advance!! They just know in advance what they pay for, just in higher quality, the flash player is around 100kbps.
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Producers should be allowed to not offer their tracks for selling as well ofcourse.
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Bit hard to enforce, I rather keep the whole thing on a voluntarily basis, I don't want to hire lawyers lol
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Questions remaining: paying method? Work with another site that offers this allready? How much of the money will they eat? I'm sure there are some mp3 labels out there that could do the whole crap for you, but they want their piece of the cake too.
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I already asked iTunes once. I got a response that I am allowed to their system but have to go through their resellers who take a very big cut. Not interested
Paypal seems like the natural option. They also take a cut of the money (a 3.9% cut + 0.35€ fixed fee atm. With a downpayment of 10€ this is 7.4%). Payments of lower than 10€ are not very interesting (eg paying 1€ for a single track would leave nearly 40% in the hands of Paypal)
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Another side effect would be that DnB.be would in fact become a record label through this (if you clear some blabla first).
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No major trouble to be had here, my company is registered as a record label already
I will also have to pay income taxes, but the site is costing me a lot of money, if i would take a hypothetical amount of 20% per track I would have to sell 390 tracks a month to make a profit after deducting Paypal and VAT fees. I don't think that will happen lol.
I will get into major trouble if I offer tracks for sale that are registered through a copyright watchdog such as SABAM / STEMRA / RIAA etc, or contain copyrighted samples 
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You get x% for hosting the show and for the almost unlimited effort you have put into this site over the years (and to pay the bills, pay for competition prices, ...).
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Yeah let me have it 
But it would leave a big part for the producers, I think with paypal fees, VAT and a cut for the site it would still leave 70-75% for the producers.
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
This is an oportunity to raise the quality level of the productions and attract a group of producers that show no intrest in the site right now. In fact most of them were on here but left because they feel that the site has nothing to offer for them anymore.
I think the support from the producers would be massive. Make money if your track is worth it and get more visibility, get played out by DJ's maybe (after all, the tracks are cheap). |
True, it would certainly be very interesting for all our current producers, and will also hopefully attract some fresh blood. But I don't think any major cash is to be earned, maybe some DJs will pay for a few tracks, and a couple of random sales here and there. Not many people are willing to pay for music nowadays 
But who knows...
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10-05-2007 18:33 |
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BattleDrone
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
After a week of voting the track can be sold (has to have 3 producer votes first though)...
- Tracks with less than 4 stars: not to be offered for sale (free DL = ok).
- Tracks with 4 stars: 50 cents
- Tracks with 4 1/2 stars and above: 75 cents
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hmm people would try to mess with the votings to get a higher payout I think
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Possible yes. But wouldn't it look really stupid if some crappy track is offered for money? The site would look greedy.
For older tracks you could close voting (just thinking out loud).
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Offered tracks in 160kb mp3 or better.
This to avoid wining customers.
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No reason to whine if they can listen to the full track in the streaming flash player in advance!! They just know in advance what they pay for, just in higher quality, the flash player is around 100kbps.
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I mean it should be decent sound quality when you DL it, the flashplayer version is not the kind of stuff you want to play at a party.
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Producers should be allowed to not offer their tracks for selling as well ofcourse.
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Bit hard to enforce, I rather keep the whole thing on a voluntarily basis, I don't want to hire lawyers lol
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That's exactly what I'm saying, people should be able to decide individually if their track is to be offered for sale, I can imagine e.g. Camo's album snippets should not be offered for sale..
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Questions remaining: paying method? Work with another site that offers this allready? How much of the money will they eat? I'm sure there are some mp3 labels out there that could do the whole crap for you, but they want their piece of the cake too.
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I already asked iTunes once. I got a response that I am allowed to their system but have to go through their resellers who take a very big cut. Not interested
Paypal seems like the natural option. They also take a cut of the money (a 3.9% cut + 0.35€ fixed fee atm. With a downpayment of 10€ this is 7.4%). Payments of lower than 10€ are not very interesting (eg paying 1€ for a single track would leave nearly 40% in the hands of Paypal)
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It's a pain. Don't know any better solution either. Maybe sell the tracks for 10€
Maybe we should take a look at smaller labels to see if/how the manage onlie sales?
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
Another side effect would be that DnB.be would in fact become a record label through this (if you clear some blabla first).
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No major trouble to be had here, my company is registered as a record label already
I will also have to pay income taxes, but the site is costing me a lot of money, if i would take a hypothetical amount of 20% per track I would have to sell 390 tracks a month to make a profit after deducting Paypal and VAT fees. I don't think that will happen lol.
I will get into major trouble if I offer tracks for sale that are registered through a copyright watchdog such as SABAM / STEMRA / RIAA etc, or contain copyrighted samples
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Sure is a risk, especially the sample issue. Actually it's a risk you'd better not take imo.
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
You get x% for hosting the show and for the almost unlimited effort you have put into this site over the years (and to pay the bills, pay for competition prices, ...).
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Yeah let me have it
But it would leave a big part for the producers, I think with paypal fees, VAT and a cut for the site it would still leave 70-75% for the producers.
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Fine with me
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by BattleDrone
This is an oportunity to raise the quality level of the productions and attract a group of producers that show no intrest in the site right now. In fact most of them were on here but left because they feel that the site has nothing to offer for them anymore.
I think the support from the producers would be massive. Make money if your track is worth it and get more visibility, get played out by DJ's maybe (after all, the tracks are cheap). |
True, it would certainly be very interesting for all our current producers, and will also hopefully attract some fresh blood. But I don't think any major cash is to be earned, maybe some DJs will pay for a few tracks, and a couple of random sales here and there. Not many people are willing to pay for music nowadays
But who knows...
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your right about that, if you check mp3.com you can hear a lot of good stuff for free.
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10-05-2007 23:33 |
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Surya
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I think it's a good idea, the only problem is the practical side of the paying method. If you can work out that, go ahead with it!
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11-05-2007 07:33 |
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BattleDrone
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Smaller labels seem to put their tracks online at junodownload or trackitdown
these sites have prices of abour £0.99 which would probably leave a € for the site/producer.
Tracks can be (but don't have to be) offered in various formats (192kbps MP3, 320kbps MP3, WAV or AAC) with matching prices. The paying process is left to these sites, you don't have to bother.
Problem is ofcourse that you can't offer some super average track through this channel, you need to make a name for yoruself. Maybe master the tracks, etc... there's a lot of humpty dumpty comming at you if you want to do all this but I think this could be a good deal???
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11-05-2007 09:34 |
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Surya
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But putting the tracks on another site isn't the intention, now is it?
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12-05-2007 10:46 |
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BattleDrone
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For the selling part it wouldn´t hurt, leqve the hassle to the peeps who specialize on that issue, no probs with bandwidth or anything. Just look at e.g. InDaJungleRecordings.com, they do it that way. And it adds visiblity too.
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12-05-2007 16:18 |
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