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reading through a lot of the threads most say boost bass in certain places to make it sound fatter. I always find myself cutting freqs out of bass, to make it sit better and so it dont distort on car systems etc... comparing my choons to proper tunes in the car i always notice my bass doesnt sound as "big" and nice as other tunes, but it still causes distortion cos theres too much low end i guess... this is something I would really like to improve... i usually end up eqing out most higher freqs but i think its those freqs that make other peoples bass stick out and sound "big" so to speak... anyway any help on getting bass to sound nice? (on all systems)
When I stand on the side of my speakers I can hear the bass a hell of a lot more than when sat right in front of em also.
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first of all : which software do you use ?
it is hard to say (especially for me cause my english sucks !)
first of all analyse the sample or the bass you have got . then decide what to do
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Try boosting around 60Hz to add more body. Any apparent muddiness can be rolled off around 300Hz.If more presence is needed, boost around 6kHz.
50-100Hz ~ Adds bottom end
100-250Hz ~ Adds roundness
250-800Hz ~ Muddiness Area
800-1kHz ~ Adds beef to small speakers
1-6kHz ~ Adds presence
6-8kHz ~ Adds high-end presence
8-12kHz ~ Adds hiss "
this might help. it is from a dnb frequency directory or smthg.
one other problem could be that your bass sounds fat when he stands alone - but some kicks or other things that are in that freq or fx can destroy your bass. it should fit !
(damn i cant explain in english dude !)
now i check test drive....
first there is this "mid bass" - needs more roundness and there is the sub - the sub is too dominate . maybe try to use an other bass sound and add this subby bass to it.
and bring some variation in your tunes ....
keep on working bruva - hope this helps !
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12-01-2007 00:05 |
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i read somewhere its better to cut unwanted frequencies and rise the whole level instead of boosten certain frequencies. try layering instead of boosting?
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12-01-2007 10:55 |
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12-01-2007 11:17 |
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TechDiff
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Golden rule of EQ. Cut frequencies, dont boost.
This depends a lot on what kinda bass sound your using and what the kickdrum is like. You dont want them to be sharing the same frequency space since this'll cause all kinda problems with peeking bass frequencies. It can often work if you find where the main punch of your kick drum is remove some of those frequencies from the bass tone. This will allow the bass to come through without being muddied by the kick drum.
Another thing that someone mentioned, cutting the frequencies of other parts. Any sound is going to be producing a wide range of different frequencies. Even if its only a very small amount, when coupled with everything else you end up with a whoile wash of unwanted frequencies. You may find that after EQing, a part played solo will sound a bit odd and thin, you should always refer to the mix as a whole, to see how the part fit with everything else.
But I think most important is to not go over the top with sub. Its cool to have a super bassy mix when your at home, Feel the floor rumble away etc etc. But If you played this kinda mix through a good rig, you'd make a lot of enemies after you ripped a monitor or something. Be sensible over how much bass you actually need, If its enough to hear and feel a little thats cool, if its making empty mugs jump off your speakers and crack your wall, then youre over doing it. Its also worth removing the really low frequencies from your bass line. Not many things in the world can reproduce 5 hz but when mixing and mastering your tune those frequencies will still be affecting what the limiter etc is doing.
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12-01-2007 11:41 |
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Originally posted by TechDiff
Golden rule of EQ. Cut frequencies, dont boost.
This depends a lot on what kinda bass sound your using and what the kickdrum is like. You dont want them to be sharing the same frequency space since this'll cause all kinda problems with peeking bass frequencies. It can often work if you find where the main punch of your kick drum is remove some of those frequencies from the bass tone. This will allow the bass to come through without being muddied by the kick drum.
Another thing that someone mentioned, cutting the frequencies of other parts. Any sound is going to be producing a wide range of different frequencies. Even if its only a very small amount, when coupled with everything else you end up with a whoile wash of unwanted frequencies. You may find that after EQing, a part played solo will sound a bit odd and thin, you should always refer to the mix as a whole, to see how the part fit with everything else.
But I think most important is to not go over the top with sub. Its cool to have a super bassy mix when your at home, Feel the floor rumble away etc etc. But If you played this kinda mix through a good rig, you'd make a lot of enemies after you ripped a monitor or something. Be sensible over how much bass you actually need, If its enough to hear and feel a little thats cool, if its making empty mugs jump off your speakers and crack your wall, then youre over doing it. Its also worth removing the really low frequencies from your bass line. Not many things in the world can reproduce 5 hz but when mixing and mastering your tune those frequencies will still be affecting what the limiter etc is doing. |
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12-01-2007 12:28 |
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
e side of my speakers I can hear the bass a hell of a lot more than when sat right in front of em also. |
This could be caused by phase cancellation. So make sure that either your bass is entirely mono, or if you want some stereo effect to the bass, make sure you only apply stereo widening effects to the higher frequencies of the bass sound.
And about cutting the very lower frequencies, it's usually a good to cut everything below 20hz-35hz, because usually such low frequencies cannot be produced by speakers, and usually they just add muddiness to the mix, and also as mentioned, can be problematic when limiting, compressing and mastering the mix otherwise.
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12-01-2007 15:19 |
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
e side of my speakers I can hear the bass a hell of a lot more than when sat right in front of em also. |
I also noticed this effect, I think it is caused by the fact that high frequencies are moving in a certain direction (that is straight ahead out of the speaker) and low frequencies move everywhere. Therefore you only need one subwoofer and you still hear the bass everywhere in the room.
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12-01-2007 16:10 |
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Originally posted by Digital Cause
e side of my speakers I can hear the bass a hell of a lot more than when sat right in front of em also. |
are your speakers bass-reflex type? do they have a round hole on the rear? if yes then its perfectly normal you hear a hell lot more bass on the side of the box
and if you think thats weird, try putting your ear on the hole. 
actually it can be really useful. put a hand on the bass reflex at a set volume and if it's producing enough wind then the mixdown has deffinitely enough bass
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12-01-2007 16:47 |
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12-01-2007 22:06 |
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Digital Cause
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ive got a subwoofer on the floor, i guess its the bass bouncing off the back wall then back into the corner or something whereas the high freqs are being absorbed. whatever. standing in different places is a good way to get a new perspective on the sounds and on the tune.
No stereo imaging on my bass, completely Mono. as it should be.
to what syneptic was saying: yeah man i have realised the sub is too dominant, it just didnt seem like that at the time, thing is if i try and bring more mid range etc into the bass, it clouds the mix like WHOA! this illustrates my problem exactly, trying to be able to hear and feel the bass without it taking up too much room, I just cant seem to do it. Recently instead of sticking a Low Pass on it ive just been eqing it, but then I eventually end up sticking the filter on it anyway, higher than I use to though...
so to get the bass to stick out I would naturally wanna take the filter off, and just eq it so it sounds good and maybe get some nice sounding higher end distortion in there... but same old same old... not enough room in the mix.
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13-01-2007 01:59 |
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generally, instead of cutting freq from the bass, i cut the bass from EVERYTHING ELSE!
basses can usually suffer cuts in the 100hz-700hz area, usually lower down, near 200, as can many other insturments.
it's hard but you need to cut out freq of other sounds to max the bass stick out. once you cut the 100hz out fo everything else, then the part where the bass gets it's punch, is usually 500hz-1.2khz, so by clear out a little sliver from other insturments you can make the bass come through,
it's surprising what a tiny narrow cut can make another insturment come through. it's an art, people make whole carareers, out of MIXING alone, making the song is one thing.---
generally you want to do this after the songs done, and is more fixed, that way you can judge what needs to go where.
but on the whole easy 3 tips:
1. cut 100hz, or mroe, depedning on how good it sounds, out of everything else.
2.clear up the 200-700 range on everything else, with a slgiht cut, maybe a bit wide.
3.in the deeper mids, 100hz-300hz you can add a narrow cut to bass, or kicks, and get more deep bass coming through.
generally i mix with headphones because it eliminates that problem of the room sucking. it can add weird zones of boost and cutting to bass.
just don't mix with the SUB ON! it sounds great and can make your pants jiggle and you can give high fives toy uor buds ont eh sound, but you don't get a good picture to paint with.
you just get tons of bas no matter how it's mixed.
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