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Halph-Price 
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oh ya another thing, that i totally forgot but i do myself now, is be VERY subtle with eq'ing. less is more. just a slight dip here and there add's up a lot, specially in very sensative areas like 5k.
a lot of high hats, guitars, big lead synths, or even pads i usually dip a bit out of the high end slightly.
basicly if you do very subtle eq's it helps and if you can turn off the plug-in and notice the diffrence then it is doing something. that's another hard thing to explain and teach. you don't need to cut sounds out entirly when eq'ing. sometimes just -3db is drastic enough. technicly that's half the power, but it doesn't sound like it.
try to be as gentle as you can. if you find you need to really crank the eq's then maybe look for a different sound. it goes back to the polishing a turd, biz. good sounds you don't need to touch much if at all.
a lot of my eq'ing and mixing is more from live instrument experince then synth's and stuff. that stuff's more in my own spare time.
drum samples though are record, usually the 70's and such, without much eq and are msotly the raw sound. i always treat them like a real drum kit. so i have more exp with eq the drums. but a lot of the techniques apply.
but this is an important thing, if you eliminate louder high freq noise,s they "mask" deeper freq, so by removing higher noises from bass and kicks, you can actually amke the kick and bass louder! by subtracting freq!
like white noise has 60hz rolling always, but ti sounds like high end hiss, becaus ethe high end drowns out the lower end.
i am sorry i am going on anbout this but it helps me remember all of this too. a lot fo the tiems when i mix i forget somethings.
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10-04-2007 08:44 |
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Greyone
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imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit 
but eventually you can do that quick and become to a finished track quick
but then there's the final mastering wich i have a lot more questions about
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10-04-2007 16:27 |
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Originally posted by Greyone
imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit
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EQing while composing is a complete waste of time. You would have to do it over and over again every time you introduce a new element in the mix. The balance and spectrum changes every time you add something, so any EQ corrections you made before are rendered useless and you have to start over.
Just ignore EQ issues while composing, get the track finished and then EQ all channels at once. If you get the hang of it you can EQ a whole track in a couple of minutes. So that would leave you with 97% composing and 3% EQ
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by Greyone
imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit
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EQing while composing is a complete waste of time. You would have to do it over and over again every time you introduce a new element in the mix. The balance and spectrum changes every time you add something, so any EQ corrections you made before are rendered useless and you have to start over.
Just ignore EQ issues while composing, get the track finished and then EQ all channels at once. If you get the hang of it you can EQ a whole track in a couple of minutes. So that would leave you with 97% composing and 3% EQ
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Maybe that's a faster way to get things done, but EQing while composing is a part of the composing itself! I mean, the sound doesn't sound good and as I intended to sound if I don't apply volume and EQ changes.
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11-04-2007 12:57 |
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Greyone
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Originally posted by Greyone
imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit
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EQing while composing is a complete waste of time. You would have to do it over and over again every time you introduce a new element in the mix. The balance and spectrum changes every time you add something, so any EQ corrections you made before are rendered useless and you have to start over.
Just ignore EQ issues while composing, get the track finished and then EQ all channels at once. If you get the hang of it you can EQ a whole track in a couple of minutes. So that would leave you with 97% composing and 3% EQ
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yeah thats what i do man 
when i add an element i like , i eq it so it fits , then when i dont like it anymore , a change it for another , eq it again and stuff goes on and on and on
so i become a constant EQer 
, i just want to have everything right while im producing , the importand issues first like drums and bass , then the sounds (so everything is eqed fine , and the sounds just have to blend in , and not otherwise , drums are more important then sounds)
dunno who's right chronik
, but i did it your way back in the days and that resulted in bad shit , like soms sounds their frequenties did the job for the kicks but then the sounds were out the kicks had no power , then i thought it was the leveling and i struggled ... till i eq it right away
my scedual for a track:
- sound search , get myself a whole package of sounds wich i form an idea in my head
- start with drums , layering eqing adding sub to the drums allready till i have a basic drumloop
- then i make variations of the drums (copy paste change) or slicing , or whatever
- then i make my basic structure of the track
- i ad an intro , some basic sounds , basic ideas
- i go deep in the idea of the track , blend the reece on the drums eq things till i got some kind of 1st drop , the main idea of the track
- i build my whole track togheter , the sounds on the structure
- then i add effects , fx sounds , vocals , fadeins , fade outs , little but important changes , ...
- i use the record button (FL) to do filtering by hand 
, effects by hand and every little fade detail.
- then i check my master channel and try not to use a compressor
, but i trow an EQout on it , check the whole track through an analyser and do the final eq touches.
- then i render my wav of the track + 320mp3 and im finished 
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11-04-2007 13:08 |
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Halph-Price
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by Greyone
imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit
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EQing while composing is a complete waste of time. You would have to do it over and over again every time you introduce a new element in the mix. The balance and spectrum changes every time you add something, so any EQ corrections you made before are rendered useless and you have to start over.
Just ignore EQ issues while composing, get the track finished and then EQ all channels at once. If you get the hang of it you can EQ a whole track in a couple of minutes. So that would leave you with 97% composing and 3% EQ
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Maybe that's a faster way to get things done, but EQing while composing is a part of the composing itself! I mean, the sound doesn't sound good and as I intended to sound if I don't apply volume and EQ changes. |
if you have to eq a lot then maybe look for a different sound. or i have seen in mag's form some guys is not to care about the sound of the sanre, even if it's shit, cuz you can always replace it.
just get the track done.
this might be why everyone's submitting clips.
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12-04-2007 06:49 |
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Originally posted by Halph-Price
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Originally posted by Muad'Dib
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Originally posted by thechronic
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Originally posted by Greyone
imo producing is 70% EQing and 30 % composing
while you compose you have to EQ the sounds constantly , first drums then bass then other sounds , always checking the spectrum analyser and dB meter and filling the channels with seperate Equalisers and effects and shit shit shit shit shit
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EQing while composing is a complete waste of time. You would have to do it over and over again every time you introduce a new element in the mix. The balance and spectrum changes every time you add something, so any EQ corrections you made before are rendered useless and you have to start over.
Just ignore EQ issues while composing, get the track finished and then EQ all channels at once. If you get the hang of it you can EQ a whole track in a couple of minutes. So that would leave you with 97% composing and 3% EQ
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Maybe that's a faster way to get things done, but EQing while composing is a part of the composing itself! I mean, the sound doesn't sound good and as I intended to sound if I don't apply volume and EQ changes. |
this might be why everyone's submitting clips. |
yeah, exactly 
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12-04-2007 14:00 |
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12-04-2007 15:49 |
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13-04-2007 12:20 |
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13-04-2007 17:13 |
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Oh, it's already been put.
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13-04-2007 17:15 |
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Halph-Price
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good i don't think there's mcuh more i can say about eq'ing
you can usually bring down 5k in hi-hats.... there's always more.
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14-04-2007 02:05 |
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I'm going to split off all sidechaining posts in another thread
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