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cynik 
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Originally posted by spudleyq
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amazing.. no youre not, everyone just got carried away...
no flaming thread either... the new voting system will iron everything out.. lol
munki c is right, now let us all live in peace and harmony
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08-07-2005 19:25 |
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spudleyq
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Haha, no....I really was acting like an idiot, I was letting my own personal problems flow through into this board......and that's just stupid.
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08-07-2005 19:42 |
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cynik
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well in 99% of your post youve been nothing but helpful.. thats why you got the max rating from me.. those amen techniques for example
and I get thats what this place is all about.. if we want war, lets play a war video-game over the net.... and come back here afterwards
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08-07-2005 20:04 |
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tetsuo
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In the end, what the flaming got to do with rating your own track.....
Come on people, you don't need to justify yourself..... Even if you're serieous about your musik, no one care that you rate your track or not.... Just show how motivated you are, matter is the way you used......
But once again, doesn't matter, if you think that people gonna review yours tracks more....
I don't care so much since i've uploaded only 2 traks here, for testing purposes only, and now< i'm working on my own since i don't only produce dnb, and i can point easily on my mistakes......
Once i'll be happy with the quality, i'll share.....
That's it, and NO, spudleyq, you're not an idiot because you speak your mind.....
Peace
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08-07-2005 22:13 |
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cynik
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09-07-2005 01:05 |
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thechronic
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The punishments I did is just a symbolic gesture, I had to do something because a lot of people were complaining. It will now at least help to reduce the number of own votes.
When the new voting system is done all current ratings will disappear anyway. In the beginning it will still temporarily show the current rating so there won't be any tracks without rating. As soon as somebody rates a track the temporary rating will be erased and the new rating will be shown.
The new system will have two advantages which will make it as fair as possible:
- the detailed descriptions of every rating will make the ratings much more relevant. Eg a 10/10 will be described as 'this is the best track I ever heard', which will make it a less obvious option for a mediocre track, it will hopefully even keep newbies from giving the maximum score for a track that doesn't deserve it.
- it will use median calculations instead of a plain average so offshoot votes will not skew the rating. If 3 experienced members rate a track a justly 2/10 and one newbie rates it 10/10 because he doesn't know any better, the rating will still show 2/10, not the average value which would be 4/10.
I have thought about the system for a long time, and I don't think it's humanly possible to make it fairer than that 
One thing I could also do is suppressing the display of the rating until a track got at least 3 votes.
In the long run the system will also allow to see details about the votes in a private producer control panel. You would be able to see which people voted for your track, so you can return the favour, and I could even make stuff such as charts that show your quality progression over several months.
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09-07-2005 01:28 |
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cynik
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09-07-2005 01:32 |
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I'll happily admit to voting for myself.
To say that you didnt realize it was wrong is bollocks.
But the motive is extremly understandable,
Because of the massive amount of tracks on the site (No bad thing at all)its easy for a tune to disappear into the depths of the forum, and is natural for you to want as many people to listen to your tune as posiible, there for, by voting for it you can keep the tune acsesible. Besides, youre not gonna go searching through hundreds of tunes for any particular one, are you.
Also, if you are gonna vote for yourself, why give yourself anything but a ten??
If you dont believe in a tune 100%, why should anyone else?
I think its fair that im punished for my crimes, but hopefully the motive is more than understandable.
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09-07-2005 01:35 |
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Nosrac
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Chronic: that sounds great!
Tech Diff: many users post unfinished (suggestions?), old tracks (worth going back to?), etc. type of tracks that they do not believe in 100% - that's what makes this site unique: you can post these iffy tracks and get constructive criticism before going back to them or chucking them out all together. I assume most people would send 100% finished vinyl ready tracks straight to the labels rather than posting them on a site where they can be downloaded and played with final scratch at a club free of charge. I dunno, that's just how I've always thought of this site - perhaps others see it differently. 
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09-07-2005 02:29 |
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YO CHRONIC!!!!
cant you show in the tune review thread exactly who has rated it and at what rating?
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09-07-2005 18:20 |
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Sykotic
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To me the reviews are far more important than the ratings. The only thing that the ratings actually accomplish is to get the occasional "tourist" to check yer material....but what good does that do for you? They won't drop you a review. And that's what counts, cuz that is how you learn; from the tips and criticizm of yer peers. I never pay any attention to the ratings when downloading tracks to review.
I know I am something of a newbie here, but my sound has improved greatly in a short time thanks to the reviews from some of you who acctually know what you are talking about.
Also, you never know how your tracks are gonna sound to fresh ears, cuz you've already heard piece by piece repeating over and over again. (you get desensitised) Those fresh ears, especially the ones who actually know something about music and sound, provide your most essential feeback.
So who really cares how many stars your track gets... it is whats in the reviews that really matter to you. 
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09-07-2005 23:58 |
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cynik
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its true the reviews matter more for your own production but those ratings in the past worked well in getting the "tune of the month" acclaim. with these ratings fucked up we wont be having that... and thechronic worked on free mastering of the tune which would be the month's best.. and I think we all agree thats dope so...
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10-07-2005 11:44 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
YO CHRONIC!!!!
cant you show in the tune review thread exactly who has rated it and at what rating? |
Not with the current system, it just logs the users which have cast a vote, and the rating total. So the average shown is calculated [rating total] / [number of votes].
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10-07-2005 20:28 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by cynik
its true the reviews matter more for your own production but those ratings in the past worked well in getting the "tune of the month" acclaim. with these ratings fucked up we wont be having that... and thechronic worked on free mastering of the tune which would be the month's best.. and I think we all agree thats dope so... |
No the ratings have nothing to do with it actually. Surya and me hand pick the tracks. Surya listens to each and every track that is posted, and he has a very strong own opinion and never gets influenced by any number of stars 
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10-07-2005 20:36 |
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Emblem-X
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Originally posted by MUNKI C
i think the chronic needs to add a new flaming thread as well.
that way all bitching can happen in there.
chill the fuck out.......
look im pretty serious...but i like listening to peeps tunes and letting them know what i think.even if they dont want to hear....plus it gives me some perspective on where i am with my own stuff.......thats why the site is good....now stop calling each other names....
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11-07-2005 01:35 |
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This flaming stated to bug me out. I followed this discussion a quite bit of time, imidiately after its start, and I noticed that some members can't hold their horses. I point specifically to Surora32 here.
Firstly, flaming won't help. I know exactly what you are yellin (a figure of speech) about but DAMN this is a bulletin board, a forum - so what if you write in that tone when some people are dumb and can't understand you.
Second, if I were someone else I would have found myself ofended and outraged by your statement that those 5 people are worthy and others are worth the shit. I have other philosophy in my life so I don't get insulted, but other members might be and you will scary them off the site... which is NOT very productive about dnb.be, is it now?
Third, if you still want to solve these matters concerning people rating their own tracks etc. I suggest thechronic to give you permission to form an expelling team which will specifically work on warning and giving expelling permissions on people that put their heads too high. In this team the most objectively-emphasyzing people will get together and agree upon their judgement when some member crossed the line.
And that would be all about you. That was my most sincere answer pointed to you, and you have to come up with the way of dealing with it and its points.
And I have another suggestion to thechronic:
the ew rating system should have another component - the reliability.
All registered members will be able to vote, right? But those people that write no comments and juz vote don't help us too much, do they? Here comes the RELIABILITY integer.
Everyone at start have RELIABILITY integer of 1. That means that they vote is multiplied by this value and then added into the value of the rating of the track. The maths:
you rate the track (with all parameters like dancefloor quality, FX quality etc..) summed 7 stars. Your reliability factor is 1 so the end that is added to the full score of the track is:
7 x 1 = 7
Now, if anyone just rates a track and writes less than 15 words in a comment (the value is picked to stop the flaming and at least to write something to the author), their reliability factor decreases for 20%. From RELIABILITY 1 you will have RELIABILITY 0.8
So maths: 7 x 0.8 = 5,6 so 5,6 is added as your vote.
If you write from 15-30 words you RELIABILITY is decreased for 10%.
So say you rate one track with 7 but you wrote 10 words so your reliability decreased to 0.8 and your rate for the track became 5.6; Now you write another track with 6 but you wrote 24 words and your reliability was decreased for another 10%, 0.8 - 10% = 0.72 and your second rating of 6, by maths, became 6 x 0.72 = 4.32;
If you write between 30 and 45 words your reliability remains the same.
If you write from 45 to 60 words, you reliability rises for 10%.
Above 60 words and it rises for 15%.
My guess is that anyone writing above 60 words postes not a shitty dumb reply, but a thoughtful and helpful one.
The reliability will not be able to decrease more than 0.333 (one third) or increase more than 1.0;
This would help us further clearify the ratings and cut the lamers and noobies from extruding the quality indicator of the tracks.
And someone might say: "yeah right, I will have to write something on every track just to get my reliability rating in significant amount. That is shit"; Well, just to remind you, we all want our tracks to have comments right? Admit it, you juz love when you see that arrow next to the thread which indicates that someone wrote something in your track's thread! This will force people to write at lease little more than normal.
So what say you, thechronic?
PS Surora32, about compression thing that you mentioned earlier - I guess that was me who made such comment (or someone who tried to imitate me). But did you know that compression can come out just with some certain combinations of sounds? And if I heard compression and you haven't added it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 
THIS was my TaKKE on THIS
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11-07-2005 11:45 |
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Originally posted by muaddib
PS Surora32, about compression thing that you mentioned earlier - I guess that was me who made such comment (or someone who tried to imitate me). But did you know that compression can come out just with some certain combinations of sounds? And if I heard compression and you haven't added it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
THIS was my TaKKE on THIS
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no that wasnt you...
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