drumnbass.be forum » Production » Tunes » 3/4 measures? 3/4 measures? Author Post Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  OK, there was some confusion on DnBA about the odd swinging break that is used in about 1 measure of Pendulum - Vault. It is the same swing as used in Andy C's Bodyrock. Some people thought it was a 3/4 measure, but for those among us who know more about rhythms, it obiously isn't. Now, to make this clear, I prepared a short clip with a real 3/4 measure, and you'll see, this is obviously VERY different, and not in any way comparable to the swinging beat in Pendulum 3/4 clip EDIT: Fixed link __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 06-04-2003 21:51 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  It should be possible to make a danceable 3/4 track, but it would be so hard to mix in with a 4/4 that nobody would spin it. Your example makes the principle perfectly clear but the break sux big time as you probably know __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 07-04-2003 03:55 |4K| Producer Registration Date: 17-11-2002 Posts: 29 Helpfulness rating:  i know some producers were experimenting with 3/4 breaks on early Good Looking stuff, but i don't know exactly wich tunes. 07-04-2003 08:18 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by thechronic Your example makes the principle perfectly clear but the break sux big time as you probably know Yeah, could have done a better job, but I didn't want to waste much time __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 07-04-2003 19:29 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  I found a track in 3/4 by DJ Suv: 'Flamenco Cybernetico'. It's not dnb though... __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 18-04-2003 08:22 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  it ain't possible to make a dnb track in 3/4, cause a break(beat) -which is mostly the base of a dnb track ... - is always (read: mostly) in 4/4 // 2/4 // ... and even if you make a dnb track with this kind of break -like the one surya posted- it would be considered a 4/4 offbeat (for example the craft remix by universal project -i think-) and if you then make it a good structure it would be mixable as such ... and even then ...:S (yes P, i'm looking for an appropriate smiley here) __ It's a spiritual thing ! 18-04-2003 13:24 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  You know what? I'll try making a mixable 3/4 loop this weekend __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 18-04-2003 15:55 Whizz Cool Producer Registration Date: 07-11-2002 Posts: 124 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya You know what? I'll try making a mixable 3/4 loop this weekend I give you a billion dollars if you succeed ! (it must be a real 3/4, not just some off-beat thingie) __ 18-04-2003 18:11 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Whizz quote: Originally posted by Surya You know what? I'll try making a mixable 3/4 loop this weekend I give you a billion dollars if you succeed ! (it must be a real 3/4, not just some off-beat thingie) I think I have found a way to do it, think I'll have to work at lower bpm than normal tho... Already awaiting the check __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 18-04-2003 19:30 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  Ofcourse it's possible!! It's even possible to do one in 17/16 I mean it's just music isn't it, you make it the way you want to Ofcourse it would only be mixable with other tracks that are in 3/4... Do you mean triplets with offbeat? like 1**2**3**4** 4 beats = 1 bar X*****X*X*** kick ***X*x***X*x snare XxxXxxXxxXxx hihat It's a 4/4 with three counts on every beat = triplets 3/4 would be something like 1***2***3*** 3 beats = 1 bar X***X*X***** kick **X*x***X**x snare XxxXxxXxxXxx hihat I'm just improvising this by tapping my fingers on the table though, maybe it's all wrong __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 19-04-2003 02:32 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  actually, i don't even understand what the fuzz is about ... a 3/4 beat is a waltz, a 4/4 beat is a rock number ... you don't mix a waltz with a rock ballad, not even because it's not done, but cause it's impossible (i'm not talking about the cases where you take everything into math and go writing it all down and calculating it so that it works out ...) you don't drink a cup of milk together with a coke, ... easy as that ... and dudez, we're not even talking about mesures like 6/4, 7/8, 6/8, 5/4, 12/8, etc etc __ It's a spiritual thing ! 19-04-2003 10:32 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  Yeah, making a 3/4 mixable with a 4/4 would be by using a triplet 4/4 in fact. So you have an equal amount of ticks, but they are devided differently... __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 19-04-2003 15:27 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya Yeah, making a 3/4 mixable with a 4/4 would be by using a triplet 4/4 in fact. So you have an equal amount of ticks, but they are devided differently... indeed, but then you got a 4/4 with triplets and not a 3/4 give it up, there's no way you're going to find an easy way to make a mixable 3/4 track ... it just don't fit now i hear u saying if you take the 4/4 with the triplets and call it a 3/4 et voila ... then i'll say: no, cause in a 3/4 beat the accents are placed X-x-x-X-x-x (in which X is a hard accent and x is a soft accent, compare it with BASSDRUM-SNARE-SNARE) and in a triplet the accents are the same but they sound binded (like in french language u got them liaisons, it's comparable in music) and the accents are more like this: X_X_X (let's take the _ for a binding) believe it or not but you'll notice the difference very quickly and see the 3/4 beat won't be mixable, on contrary with the 4/4 triplet ... in case this sounds like chinese, 3/4 and 6/8 sounds the same cause it's the same mesure (in maths) well.... it ain't, and it's all got to to with accents ... no way u're making a mix of 3/4 and 6/8 sound nice (altho i might want to discuss about that ) one last thing you can discuss about these mesures and structures all u want, as long as u don't forget music is something that comes from the heart, it ain't no fuckin math j __ It's a spiritual thing ! 19-04-2003 18:43 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  ps: a nice tune which is also a good example of a 4/4 triplet (1/8 note triplets) --> accidental heroes (sonic & silver) - dub wise and i think C4C - Skewer is also a good example of it, but i gotta hear it again before i confirm ... __ It's a spiritual thing ! 19-04-2003 19:05 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  I just listened to the new example that Surya uploaded, but it's not 3/4... it's 6/8 Good enough for me, worth at least three quarters of a million BTW I like the feel of this track, not thinking about making a complete track of it? __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 21-04-2003 08:08 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  Which one? The first or the second? And yeah, awaiting the money __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 21-04-2003 10:15 thechronic admin Registration Date: 01-11-2002 Posts: 5,293 Helpfulness rating:  The second one: '3/4 mixable clip (sorta)' BTW the track "Koerperfresser" by Octan also features a part in 3/4... true 3/4, not 6/8 Check this thread __ If you find spam on the site, please hit the button and select my name. I'll personally kick it to the murky depths of hell where it belongs! 21-04-2003 10:37 -J- Big Bad Battyman Registration Date: 15-11-2002 Posts: 1,043 Helpfulness rating:  quote: Originally posted by Surya Which one? The first or the second? And yeah, awaiting the money hell no u'd try mixing it (do you mix actually, or only produce ?) __ It's a spiritual thing ! 21-04-2003 12:00 Surya The Robot Registration Date: 04-11-2002 Posts: 11,238 Helpfulness rating:  I only produce. Never tried mixing in fact, coz I don't have the money for the plates anywayz __ "In dnb you should make people jump not swim" - Pieter Frenssen 2004 21-04-2003 13:58 drumnbass.be forum » Production » Tunes » 3/4 measures?