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Wooww what a weird song 
It starts out really chilled and minimalistic, and all of a sudden there is this thunderous bass knocking me off me socks 
and there comes the beat!!!! woohoooo 
You got the swing right now
the hihats have a lot of groove now, not as static as your previous attempts.. nice 
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The song is OK IMO very progressive and interesting, but maybe not so much for the dance floor. You've put great work in the rhythm, lots of programming going on, I like that
There are no melodies in it, but it's not really missed, since the industrial noise goes well with the frantic breaks.
Soundwise it's a bit too sharp to my ears, and the kick drum does not come out very well. I can hear the kick because it affects the compression, but in itself I can hardly hear it. Maybe it contains a lot of sub which I don't hear on my 10" speakers... Replace the kick drum sample please to something slammin hard to match the rest of this industrial dnb mayhem
And the ending is very abrupt, but I guess it's not finished 
You're getting there man
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25-01-2003 12:22 |
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ZARk
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Originally posted by thechronic
Wooww what a weird song
It starts out really chilled and minimalistic, and all of a sudden there is this thunderous bass knocking me off me socks
and there comes the beat!!!! woohoooo
You got the swing right now
the hihats have a lot of groove now, not as static as your previous attempts.. nice
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The song is OK IMO very progressive and interesting, but maybe not so much for the dance floor. You've put great work in the rhythm, lots of programming going on, I like that
There are no melodies in it, but it's not really missed, since the industrial noise goes well with the frantic breaks.
Soundwise it's a bit too sharp to my ears, and the kick drum does not come out very well. I can hear the kick because it affects the compression, but in itself I can hardly hear it. Maybe it contains a lot of sub which I don't hear on my 10" speakers... Replace the kick drum sample please to something slammin hard to match the rest of this industrial dnb mayhem
And the ending is very abrupt, but I guess it's not finished
You're getting there man
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i can't get the kick in ...
the bass sound is too loud and the kick just doesn't get heard 
for the hihats : used ya samples -... just great ... 3layers ...
i cleaned it a bit (there was too much mayhem in the rhythm ... it's now getting better
but i still got problems with the kick
(cleaned it a bit too)
edit : i think i get it .. i just gotta use a kick that doesn't have any low-end .. just a high end ... basically if i take a snare and pitch it down
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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by ZARk: 26-01-2003 16:40.
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25-01-2003 19:55 |
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well, i'm just being honest, i don't really like your style ...
it's too ..? chopped up, cheapy tune ...?
but i can respect the drumwork there
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26-01-2003 11:38 |
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ZARk
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Originally posted by -J-
well, i'm just being honest, i don't really like your style ...
it's too ..? chopped up, cheapy tune ...?
but i can respect the drumwork there
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no offence taken, you have to be honest
what do you mean by chopped up and cheapy ?
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26-01-2003 16:34 |
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ZARk
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26-01-2003 18:31 |
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thechronic
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Originally posted by ZARk
i can't get the kick in ...
the bass sound is too loud and the kick just doesn't get heard
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i think i get it .. i just gotta use a kick that doesn't have any low-end .. just a high end ... basically if i take a snare and pitch it down
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You got the idea
Basically what I think that has happened is the following:
You got two sounds (kick and bass) that share the same frequency spectrum, and they 'block' eachother. This is a very common mix problem, it often happens when I'm mixing a live band or live recording that two instruments share the same frequency spectrum (example: vocals and guitars or keyboards) and it becomes hard to understand the vocals because the instruments get in the way.
This is easily solved by careful EQing both sounds: find the frequency that is most important in the kick and the bass by boosting the EQ way up, chosing a narrow bandwidth (= high Q factor) and sweeping the frequency until you find the one that has the main 'character' of the sound (for a kick drum the 'snap' is around 3-5 kHz and the 'thump' at around 60-100 Hz - for an electric bass you have it around 300-600 Hz, for synth basses this depends on the type of sound)
What to do: don't boost this frequency in the instrument, but cut it out in the other one. So if you find that the bass sounds great at e.g. 400 Hz, change the EQ in the kick so that it cuts out 400 Hz to make room for the bass and the other way round.
In the beginning this takes a lot of time and experimenting to get it right, but when you gain experience you can do it very quickly, in a matter of seconds
Boost, sweep, look at the frequency, cut the other, done
BTW this is *much* easier to do on an analog EQ, so bad luck for the computer-only producers
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for the hihats : used ya samples -... just great ... 3layers ... |
Oh I didn't notice
Didn't recognize them, you did a great job in processing them
Did you like the trick of the velocity layers?? You can use that on all kinds of sounds ofcourse!!
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26-01-2003 20:15 |
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Good work on the kick!!! It's definitely audible now, really thumping
Maybe the pitch of the kick is a bit too high, it seems to be out of tune with the rest of the track (soundwise it's ok!) don't know, just a thought...
The song is more finished now, but it lacks variation. In the middle you should have something that differs entirely from the synth chords, and then you can go back to it near the end of the song.
The drum programming is a killer
love it 
Also the dark haunting atmosphere is really my style
This is actually a style in dnb, I've heard more of this kind of dark heavily programmed intelligent dnb-style tracks, but can't think of no names... 
You've progressed greatly since your first tryouts, I expect some excellent stuff from you in the future
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26-01-2003 20:31 |
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ZARk
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Originally posted by thechronic
New version:
Good work on the kick!!! It's definitely audible now, really thumping
Maybe the pitch of the kick is a bit too high, it seems to be out of tune with the rest of the track (soundwise it's ok!) don't know, just a thought...
The song is more finished now, but it lacks variation. In the middle you should have something that differs entirely from the synth chords, and then you can go back to it near the end of the song.
The drum programming is a killer
love it
Also the dark haunting atmosphere is really my style
This is actually a style in dnb, I've heard more of this kind of dark heavily programmed intelligent dnb-style tracks, but can't think of no names...
You've progressed greatly since your first tryouts, I expect some excellent stuff from you in the future
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thnx a lot m8
i unfortunately am using mostly reason for this track, (though i use cubase for sequencing) .. 'cos my synth are just not dnb oriented ... Well actually, now with my TX81Z hooked on my FilterFactory i could make some heavy bass sounds ... just need to keep on practising my FM synth
really tough ...
Thanks for the EQ-uing tutorial .. i actually figured it out myself. But it's always nice to see someone who really cares. This forum is very important imho.
never would i have had this kinda help on breakz.
i'll see what i can do with the variations. 
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26-01-2003 20:55 |
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ZARk
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This is actually a style in dnb, I've heard more of this kind of dark heavily programmed intelligent dnb-style tracks, but can't think of no names...
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well my idea : "What's the point of doing something that everyone is doing"
i wanna make the music move .. most of the tracks i hear being released just bore me with a lack of originality.
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26-01-2003 20:58 |
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ZARk
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mmh, idea for the variation ...
go back to the melody from the beginning ?
so it makes "sense" ?
i'll see what it sounds like .... guess i'll EQ the strings to boost up low frequency ....
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26-01-2003 22:10 |
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No I mean introduce a completely new sound in the middle and stop the strings at that point. In the final part of the song you can then go back to the strings.
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26-01-2003 22:11 |
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ZARk
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No I mean introduce a completely new sound in the middle and stop the strings at that point. In the final part of the song you can then go back to the strings. |
i think u not understood me
remember the intro ... with the slow beat (which is exactly half the rhythm of the main part) .. with that small melody played by a Wurlitzer ....
well around half the track, cut the bassline and the heavy beat, put in a softer one (like i actually do) and put the strings + melody. Then massive buildup and bassline again.
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26-01-2003 22:16 |
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Originally posted by ZARk
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Originally posted by thechronic
This is actually a style in dnb, I've heard more of this kind of dark heavily programmed intelligent dnb-style tracks, but can't think of no names...
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well my idea : "What's the point of doing something that everyone is doing"
i wanna make the music move .. most of the tracks i hear being released just bore me with a lack of originality. |
Keep your own style that's one of the most important things
Later people will say hey it's got a little zark style you know
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