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Posted by Rude on 18-05-2005 at20:49:

  what does "mastering" contain?

Hi I've been producing for a while now, but I never got the right sound...
I heard some people distort their basslines?? Confused
anyway, I managed to make my own drumloops, give them the right sound and stuff like that, but now the rest of the track. Do I need to compress the whole track? I got each channel seperated, so what about the eq'ing?
do I need more bassfreq's? or higher freq's? what about filtering? Lo-cut or hi-cut? Please help, I'd appreciate it alot!!!
Greetz



Posted by Surya on 18-05-2005 at20:57:

  RE: what does "mastering" contain?

quote:
Originally posted by Rude
I heard some people distort their basslines?? Confused

I distort ALL my basslines Big Grin

quote:
Originally posted by Rude
Do I need to compress the whole track?

No, or very little!

quote:
Originally posted by Rude
I got each channel seperated, so what about the eq'ing?

Try getting each sound in their own frequency range so they don't conflict with eachother, make sure no sound overpowers another unless you want it to, listen very carefully if you can hear all the elements you're supposed to hear during the entire tune



Posted by Rude on 18-05-2005 at21:19:

 

so how do you distort your basslines? If I distort mine, it clicks and clips



Posted by Surya on 18-05-2005 at21:20:

 

Clipping is a form of distortion, you know. How you do it? Take a distortion effect and put it to the setting you feel is right...



Posted by @1$-) on 18-05-2005 at21:39:

 

personally i suggest you worry about getting your mix sounding good.
then export the whole track as audio (mixdown) but dont incluse any compression or limiting on the master channel...then pay to get it mastered. check out audioplexus...(google it)

dont worry about compressing the whole track, there no point if you dont know what your doing........compressing things individually is not a bad idea....its ideal if you need to seperate your kick and your bassline, you have to decide which one you want "underneath"....i normally try and have my kick punchy and my bass underneath it, so ill notch out the frequency of the bass at 125hz, which leaves room for the punchy sound of the kick......but you really do need some decent plug ins to do this accurately. and just experiment, even if your not making a whole tune..mess around......until you get something your happy with.........



Posted by Muad'Dib on 19-05-2005 at00:50:

 

Mastering is getting your tune to sound the same on most (or all) sound systems. This includes making a spicy sound out of some regular, making the sound feel warm (you know, phat basses and filled up sound feeling), controlled dynamics of the track...

The dynamics is controled by a compressor. Compressor is a kind of limiter, but with more adjustable characteristics. Plus it allows clipping and distorsion in limited amounts, which are setable.

The sound can feel warm either by lowering the dynamics of the tune, or by using a tube eq or compressor which adds tube feel (a little reverb of some kind) which feels warm and cosy. Or by combining both of them.

Spicy sound can be created by adding a synth with the same note/chord line in the background, so it is not easily heard (this can be achieved by killing the original sound but letting the reverb of it to be heard) but adds to the original sound that spicy feeling.


All mastering tends to put the sound into the most used part of frequency spectrum (that is from 150Hz to 15 000Hz) so that all sound systems can present the sound. The else is left for sound maniacs that try to determine every hihat and its clearness Big Grin

If your tune clips (the dB counter reaches over 0dB) then it creates distorsion because the the sound system cannot support it, and it is something like skratching over a hard surface. Don't do it too much or you will burn your speakers and/or amplifier Smile

To reduce this there is one sure option: lower all punchy, fast sounds first. But not too much (since this is drum and bass, and drumnbass has to has punchy sound). Then lower massive basslines and reeces (these add too much distorsion to the tune, if too loud). HiHats can create distorsion if too loud because they are repetative and always present.

A compressor can help you keep the sounds below the 0dB limit, but I never use it for that. The reason is that when a sound reaches the odB limit, the compressor kills it, but kills all other sounds at the same moment. Yes, there are multiband compressors (which add different compression at different spectrum frequency ranges) but that won't help you too much.

Just try to keep the clipping to the lowest possible value you can make it (without killing the spice of your sound) and leave mastering to engineers, or add a simple, normal compressor. You will not loose anything, but you can receive some power in the mix (if you increase the GAIN value) Big Grin )

This was my take on this Bigup



Posted by Halph-Price on 19-05-2005 at06:35:

 

for eq, i hear from a lot of people, high and low pass all the sounds you don't need. i.e. high-pass the hihats, and low pass the sub's.

compression for entire tracks, i sugggest only if you have a mutli-band compressor. there are some high quality limiters taht should only be used very gently. computer plug-in compressors don't sound as good if you use too much of them. less is more.



Posted by thechronic on 19-05-2005 at10:32:

 

The things you talk about in the first post are not done in mastering. If a mastering engineer would distort your low end he would be out of a job really quickly Big Grin

Mastering is very subtle, it's the final part in the mixing process. It starts off from the stereo mix and it applies the final compression, dynamic EQ and fade-in/fade-out using very high quality equipment.

Like muaddib said, it's basically done to smooth out the frequency response so it plays well on a wide range of systems.



Posted by Surya on 19-05-2005 at11:09:

 

... unlike the mixdown, which happens before the mastering, where every channel gets EQed, delayed, reverbed... to taste and everything gets its own place in the mix



Posted by Muad'Dib on 19-05-2005 at13:31:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Surya
... unlike the mixdown, which happens before the mastering, where every channel gets EQed, delayed, reverbed... to taste and everything gets its own place in the mix


Which is, actually, what you do in your sequencer's mixer window Smile



Posted by Surya on 19-05-2005 at13:59:

 

quote:
Originally posted by muaddib
quote:
Originally posted by Surya
... unlike the mixdown, which happens before the mastering, where every channel gets EQed, delayed, reverbed... to taste and everything gets its own place in the mix

Which is, actually, what you do in your sequencer's mixer window Smile

Indeed, but you should acually do it in a studio with a studio technician Smile



Posted by Rude on 19-05-2005 at16:44:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Surya
quote:
Originally posted by muaddib
quote:
Originally posted by Surya
... unlike the mixdown, which happens before the mastering, where every channel gets EQed, delayed, reverbed... to taste and everything gets its own place in the mix

Which is, actually, what you do in your sequencer's mixer window Smile

Indeed, but you should acually do it in a studio with a studio technician Smile



NOOOO I make tunes for fun ! Not to get famous... just wanna know how to get a better sound... I'm not gonna spend about 500 € to get a track mastered by pro's just for fun!



Posted by Abnormalbrain on 19-05-2005 at17:36:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Surya
quote:
Originally posted by muaddib
quote:
Originally posted by Surya
... unlike the mixdown, which happens before the mastering, where every channel gets EQed, delayed, reverbed... to taste and everything gets its own place in the mix

Which is, actually, what you do in your sequencer's mixer window Smile

Indeed, but you should acually do it in a studio with a studio technician Smile


Are you saying that you should do the mixdown in a real studio with a studio technician?
I thought you did that by your self and mastered in a big studio with a studio techinician.



Posted by Greyone on 19-05-2005 at17:42:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Rude
so how do you distort your basslines? If I distort mine, it clicks and clips


Listen : If you work with FL you can use Fruity Blood Overdrive !!!!

just set the x100 button and make shure the Pre Amp ( distortion FX ) and the Gain button ( velocity of Amp) are right !

than you have to use Fruity Compressor !!! to make shure yo distorted bass sounds well .

just try... Smile



Posted by Rude on 19-05-2005 at18:42:

 

I don't have FL... sorry



Posted by Friscko on 19-05-2005 at18:45:

 

then get it!! Big Grin
what u have?



Posted by Rude on 19-05-2005 at18:46:

 

Magix music maker Big Grin
lol it sucks I know...



Posted by Friscko on 19-05-2005 at18:51:

 

mostly in fl, i dont really need to master, just add the neccesary fx to all thinhg that need it.
reeverb on beats
distortion(not too much)+bassboost on bass
delay on sounds, vocalsn effect, shizzl
all u really have to do is setting the levels off all the sounds right, u just have to hear that...
fl is so easy, jsut buy it....



Posted by Rude on 19-05-2005 at18:56:

 

haha yea I'll ask spudley the "screensaver"-man



Posted by Surya on 20-05-2005 at07:17:

 

quote:
Originally posted by Abnormalbrain
Are you saying that you should do the mixdown in a real studio with a studio technician?
I thought you did that by your self and mastered in a big studio with a studio techinician.

No, coz if the mixdown is off, you can't properly master. The mixdown is the most important part. If the mixdown is of good quality, you can still do a lot in the mastering. If not, you'll never get it to sound good.
Mastering doesn't cost as much as mixdown too...


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